What would you give up?

Originally posted by galveston75
Lol. First you are a lier about that and if we shunned people of other religions we would not be spending billions of hours a year going to their doors now would we?

Now again show me where I stated that we shun others because of their religion? If your not a lier then show me. If not that confirms you are a laying person.

Calling out FMF on this question.... Where are you?

Originally posted by galveston75
Calling out FMF on this question.... Where are you?

I was in bed. I live on the other side of the world from you.

Lol. First you are a lier about that and if we shunned people of other religions we would not be spending billions of hours a year going to their doors now would we?

It is no secret that JWs and the JW organisation use disfellowship and shunning, and the threat of both, to punish and ostracize individuals over religious matters.

Now again show me where I stated that we shun others because of their religion? If your not a lier then show me. If not that confirms you are a laying person.

You have talked at length on this forum, for example, about how you shunned your son for an extended period of time over religious matters pertaining to his behaviour.

So unless you are willing to condemn the way the JW organisation and its members shun people over religious matters, then there is no problem with what I have put to you, namely: when people shun you/your mother for religious reasons, it is bad. But when you shun people (e.g. your son, or ex-JWs) for religious reasons, it is good. This is clearly the essence of what you have been saying.

Originally posted by FMF
I was in bed. I live on the other side of the world from you.

[b]Lol. First you are a lier about that and if we shunned people of other religions we would not be spending billions of hours a year going to their doors now would we?

It is no secret that JWs and the JW organisation use disfellowship and shunning, and the threat of both, to punish and ostr ...[text shortened]... Ws) for religious reasons, it is good. This is clearly the essence of what you have been saying.[/b]

You said cleary that I shun ones of other religions. I asked for proof that I said that and you've produced none. You are a lier sir.

Originally posted by galveston75
You said cleary that I shun ones of other religions.

These are your words not mine. I have been clear. I have not used the words "other religions" in this discussion. If I "said cleary that I shun ones of other religions" then show me exactly where I clearly said it.

Originally posted by FMF
These are your words not mine. I have been clear. I have not used the words "other religions" in this discussion. If I "said cleary that I shun ones of other religions" then show me exactly where I clearly said it.

You still have not shown me saying what you are still lying about.

Originally posted by galveston75
You still have not shown me saying what you are still lying about.

I think you ought to address what I have actually been saying to you - my words - rather than your different, reworded versions of what I have been saying.

Originally posted by FMF
I think you ought to address what I have actually been saying to you - my words - rather than your different, reworded versions of what I have been saying.

It's you as usual that is not speaking in truths and only here to try intrapment with your cunning and lies. Good night sir.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's you as usual that is not speaking in truths and only here to try intrapment with your cunning and lies. Good night sir.

Why don't you address what it is I have actually said to you about about people shunning and being shunned for "religious reasons" rather than attribute words to me that I did not use and then attack those words of your own invention?

Originally posted by galveston75
To the Christians here a question: What would you be willing to give up in order to serve Jesus?

My answer is everything.

However if this is kind of a "trap" question, like, once I answer "everything," then you say, "Then why do you have a computer or any money? You obviously are not willing to give up everything..." etc... if it's THAT kind of question, my response is, Jesus has not required that I give up what little I have, and if He ever did explicitly require such, I would do so without hesitation.

Originally posted by FMF
Well then, the question remains unanswered: how can you be sure that Jesus did not approve of your mother being shunned by her family?

I'm finding this conversation intriguing.

I think there is only 1 answer here, as far as from a believer's standpoint. I'd like to see if G75 agrees.

With regard to the shunning of G75's Mother by the family, I think we (believers) can be assured of one thing: Jesus did not will that it not happen - therefore, we can say that at least on some level, it met with His approval.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's you as usual that is not speaking in truths and only here to try intrapment with your cunning and lies. Good night sir.

I looked over your discussion with FMF and it's quite clear that you either misread or misinterpreted what FMF was saying. It's unfortunate that even with FMF having attempted to correct your error several times, you've persisted in calling him a liar.

Originally posted by galveston75
It's you as usual that is not speaking in truths and only here to try intrapment with your cunning and lies. Good night sir.

Actually I think you have been caught in a 'fork' to use a chess term; you defend shunning people from a JW doctrinal viewpoint and then come here crying about being "shunned" yourself and putting it out there as you having "given up" something for Jesus. The hypocrisy is chocking.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
I looked over your discussion with FMF and it's quite clear that you either misread or misinterpreted what FMF was saying. It's unfortunate that even with FMF having attempted to correct your error several times, you've persisted in calling him a liar.

Well so far he has not posted what he said I said. I'm still waitng.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well so far he has not posted what he said I said. I'm still waitng.

Do you condemn the way that JWs sometimes shun each other for religious reasons? Do you condemn the way that your mother was condemned for religious reasons?

Originally posted by galveston75
Well so far he has not posted what he said I said. I'm still waitng.

FMF posted the following:

To be clear then, when people shun you for religious reasons, it is bad. But when you shun people for religious reasons, it is good. This is the essence of what you have been saying, right?

From what I can tell, this is the post you originally either misread or misinterpreted.

You responded as follows:

I've looked back at the postings here of mine and I can't seem to find where I said I shun anyone because of their religious beliefs. Could you plase show me where I said that?

It seems you took "religious REASONS" to mean "religious BELIEFS" which is not what FMF said. They do not mean the same thing.

FMF pointed this out to you, you ignored it, and then escalated things by calling him a liar. FMF kept trying to correct you and you persisted.

Like I said:

I looked over your discussion with FMF and it's quite clear that you either misread or misinterpreted what FMF was saying. It's unfortunate that even with FMF having attempted to correct your error several times, you've persisted in calling him a liar.