14 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm sure they are noticing I'm not answering them on this. The Bible clearly explains the issues and why one would shun anyone. They do not understand those scriptures so no matter what we say, they would never understand us.
yawn, the practice is Biblical and we are not prepared to be morally tyrannised over
be some self certified spiritual quack who does not even know what is the nature of his
God that he professes to worship.
If they understood those scriptures, they would not be continually asking us to explain our biblical stand on this.
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75I understand that you feel you are acting under instructions; I am, however, asking you to explain the morality of the action.
I'm sure they are noticing I'm not answering them on this. The Bible clearly explains the issues and why one would shun anyone. They do not understand those scriptures so no matter what we say, they would never understand us.
If they understood those scriptures, they would not be continually asking us to explain our biblical stand on this.
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is a debate forum is it not. Do you feel that good debate can occur without either parties holding some form of obective judgement over the topics being exchanged upon?
yes indeed, ask him about the nature of his God and hes is at a loss to explain a single facet, yet he deems himself adequately qualified to judge the house servant of another.
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75I am asking you to explain why JW shunning is more acceptable to you than the shunning you experienced from your in-laws? This is after all, your thread and these are topics brought up by you.
I'm sure they are noticing I'm not answering them on this. The Bible clearly explains the issues and why one would shun anyone. They do not understand those scriptures so no matter what we say, they would never understand us.
If they understood those scriptures, they would not be continually asking us to explain our biblical stand on this.
14 Nov 12
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Originally posted by galveston75The claim is that its a subjective rendering, well if that is the case all they need to do is
I'm sure they are noticing I'm not answering them on this. The Bible clearly explains the issues and why one would shun anyone. They do not understand those scriptures so no matter what we say, they would never understand us.
If they understood those scriptures, they would not be continually asking us to explain our biblical stand on this.
produce an alternative one. Of course they do not understand the scriptures, it is not
in their interests, they are more content to promulgate their own morality and expect
others to accept it simply because they say so. Like you say, life is too precious to
argue with people whose only intent is to overtly criticise and condemn, i cannot think
of a single positive thing they have said
14 Nov 12
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Originally posted by galveston75You are confusing "understanding" with "accepting" in a vain attempt to hide behind a cloak of exclusive wisdom.
I'm sure they are noticing I'm not answering them on this. The Bible clearly explains the issues and why one would shun anyone. They do not understand those scriptures so no matter what we say, they would never understand us.
If they understood those scriptures, they would not be continually asking us to explain our biblical stand on this.
I understand the scriptures Galveston, I just disagree with your interpretation of them and the subsequent damanging doctrines and behaviours that ensue from your organisation.
I am not asking you to explain shunning, I'm fully aware of wht you believe about it; what i'm asking you to explain is why you feel morally justified in shunning someone for religious reasons and then raise up your in-laws shunning of you as some sort of personal self sacrifice for Jesus?
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI refer you to my post to Galveston.
The claim is that its a subjective rendering, well if that is the case all they need to do is
produce an alternative one. Of course they do not understand the scriptures, it is not
in their interests, they are more content to promulgate their own morality and expect
others to accept it simply because they say so.
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by divegeesterIf you understand the scriptures as you say, then you know the answers. Right?
You are confusing "understanding" with "accepting" in a vain attempt to hide behind a cloak of exclusive wisdom.
I understand the scriptures Galveston, I just disagree with your interpretation of them and the subsequent damanging doctrines and behaviours that ensue from your organisation.
I am not asking you to explain shunning, I'm fully aware of ...[text shortened]... n raise up your in-laws shunning of you as some sort of personal self sacrifice for Jesus?
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by divegeesterSimply put is we follow the guidelines from the Bible on who we are to associate with and under what conditions it is under that we do not associate with them.
I am asking you to explain why JW shunning is more acceptable to you than the shunning you experienced from your in-laws? This is after all, your thread and these are topics brought up by you.
If ones decide to shun us it is because of our beliefs not theirs.
Again if we were to shun ones because of their religion, we would not go to their doors.
14 Nov 12
“When you are entering into the house, greet the household; and if the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet.”—Matthew 10:12-14.
See if you can get the jest of this for direction?
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75Just answer the questions, why don't you?
What did my answer just say?
Again: Do JWs ever shun people for religious reasons? If they do, do you condemn it?
Here are two more, closely related. Do non-JWs ever shun JWs for religious reasons? If they do, do you condemn it?
14 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75How does this bit of scripture justify psychological bullying?
“When you are entering into the house, greet the household; and if the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet.”—Matthew 10:12-14.
See if you can get the jest of this for direction?