21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999You call that a rebuttal ?
I know you do.
Intelligent fools like you, think that salvation is about how much you know and about how much of a Bible scholar you are and about how much you have studied and read the Bible, the Greek translations and the Hebrew translations.
Show me where Christ said studying the Bible is a virtue.
And by the way, that word for grieve is better tra stian can offend the Holy Spirit. That makes more sense.
Common sense you appear not to have.
Offend / Grieve? Still an emotion involving happiness and unhappiness.
Didn't Paul tell Timothy to STUDY to show himself approved unto God, being able to cut straight the word of the truth?
You're a phony.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999You're a phony. A second rate heretic.
I have never yet read any book on Christianity other than the bible.
Those kind of books are for confused weak minded people who do not understand what Christ taught - much like yourself.
If you can read and understand what Christ said, you dont need anything else.
At best a tare planted by the Devil in the wheat field.
We see you !
I could play hardball with you all day long - phony.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by TheSkipperIF you're so jolly to see divisions among Christian brothers does that make you any better ?
I love watching Christians eat their own. 😉
"I love God more!" "No! I do"
"You are a philistine!" "At least I don't practice Paulism."
I love it, keep it up boys!
I don't think this Raj fellow even believes in the resurrection of Christ.
I'm ready to repent if I wrong him. Ask him. I don't think he's a Christian disicples a brother in the Lord .
Prove me wrong and I'll humbly repent,
Raj. Do you believe Jesus ROSE FROM THE DEAD? Are you my Christian brother or not ?
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonI can recall many instances when God was or was not happy with me.
[b]…when God is happy I am happy also….
How do you know when “god” is happy?
Can you recall any specific moments in time when “god” was unhappy?[/b]
I do not mean that God is occupied with one person - me alone.
He can multiprocess, you know?
Do not misunderstand me to mean that God is totally occupied with one person alone and cannot simultaneously be happy or sad with more than one person at a time.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999Normal Christians like you ...
People like you give normal Christians like me a bad name.
RAJK999 - Did Jesus Rise from the Dead or NOT ?
Come on Normal Christian like you - WHAT is your confession about the death and resurrection of Christ?
Do you believe HE DIED and ROSE from the tomb ?
You're a normal Christian, Right ??
21 Jul 08
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Come on RAJK999,
The Skipper thinks this is a argument between two Chrstians. Eating their own, he says.
I am dying to repent.
Do you believe that Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Prove to Skipper that this IS a case of one eating THEIR OWN.
Confess your belief in the Resrurrection of Christ or deny it.
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillOf Course I believe in everything the Bible said about Christ :
Come on RAJK999,
The Skipper thinks this is a argument between two Chrstians. Eating their own, he says.
I am dying to repent.
Do you believe that Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Prove to Skipper that this IS a case of one eating THEIR OWN.
Don't be a cowardly chicken livered heretic. Show me what a Normal Christian believes.
Confess you belief in the Resrurrection of Christ or deny it.
1. He is the SON of God (SON ... not God himself) sent by His Father to die for the sins of mankind.
2. Yes He rose from the dead, and is now awaiting the day when He will be sent to judge men.
3. He clearly asked his disciples to follow His teachings .. the chief of which were
- to Love God and
- LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR as thyself.
He acutally said nothing about Bible study and going to church.
He said volumes about helping the poor and doing good works as a necessary requirement for salvation.
Now I know you dont believe all of that.
So I suggest its you who deny Christ and you are probably a Devil worshipper.
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999==============================
Of Course I believe in everything the Bible said about Christ :
1. He is the SON of God (SON ... not God himself) sent by His Father to die for the sins of mankind.
2. Yes He rose from the dead, and is now awaiting the day when He will be sent to judge men.
3. He clearly asked his disciples to follow His teachings .. the chief of which were
- to Love ...[text shortened]... ieve all of that.
So I suggest its you who deny Christ and you are probably a Devil worshipper.
Of Course I believe in everything the Bible said about Christ :
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LIE # 1: Evasion and slimmy way of saying that you pick and choose what your opinion is about what Christ said.
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1. He is the SON of God (SON ... not God himself) sent by His Father to die for the sins of mankind.
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Partial lie. You do not accept all that Christ said about Himself. And you do not accept what His apostles followed Him in saying about Himself.
You ignorantly think you know more about Jesus than Apostles John, Peter, and Paul.
You think John needs to sit at your feet and be properly educated as to the Person of Christ.
Still no clear confession that Jesus either died or rose from the dead.
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2. Yes He rose from the dead, and is now awaiting the day when He will be sent to judge men.
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OK. Now I just may have to retract my accusation. Apparently, you confess that the Son of God Jesus did rise from the dead.
Then if I have wronged you on this point I apologize publically. I'll be watching closely to make sure we are talking about the same thing.
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3. He clearly asked his disciples to follow His teachings .. the chief of which were
- to Love God and
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Rather selective. General enough to appear harmless.
Christ taught that He was the Old Testament God incarnated.
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- LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR as thyself.
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Seemingly general and harmless.
But you deny the divinity of Christ. You think you have the real inside story that the Word was not God?
Christ identifies Himself as the Old Testament God incarnate - "Truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham came into being I AM." (John 8:58)
When the Apostle John wrote that the Word was God (John 1:1) and that the Word became flesh (1:14), he invented no new truth. He was simply expressing in other words what Jesus Christ had taught about Himself. He was the I AM Who spoke to Moses - Jehovah God in the book of Exodus.
Your great error lies in trying to persuade us that John needs to learn from you about his mistakes. I think you think YOU should have written the Gospel rather than John. Utterly foolish.
"I believe everything Jesus SAID in the New Testament" is often code words for "I don't believe the word of His twelve apostles".
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He acutally said nothing about Bible study and going to church.
He said volumes about helping the poor and doing good works as a necessary requirement for salvation.
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LIE # 2
He told the disciples that if they had a problem between them that they could not solve they were to TAKE IT TO THE CHURCH *Matt. 18:17
Taking it to the church involves GOING to a church. Of course the church is a community of believers and not a physical buildnig.
Anyway Matthew 18:17 means going to a practical church body. So you err completely to say Jesus did not teach about going to church.
I never said a church was a physical building. But it is an entity one can GO TO and take a problem for a solution.
Nice try.
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillSo Christ only mentioned church once .... ONCE !
.. He told the disciples that if they had a problem between them that they could not solve they were to TAKE IT TO THE CHURCH *Matt. 18:17.....
And it was in case you have a problem you cannot solve.
That means if you have no problem then you dont need to go to church .. according to Christ.
What about Bible study. Indepth Bible Study .. with all the fancy books and translations and version this that and the other, an concordances and religious books etc etc. Did Christ mention that?
Anything ?
Anything at all about reading the Bible all the time and trying to understand every phrase and sentence ?
You only gave me one reference by Paul to Timothy about bible study. Is that it?
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999==========================
So Christ only mentioned church once .... ONCE !
And it was in case you have a problem you cannot solve.
That means if you have no problem then you dont need to go to church .. according to Christ.
What about Bible study. Indepth Bible Study .. with all the fancy books and translations and version this that and the other, an concordances and religious ...[text shortened]... d sentence ?
You only gave me one reference by Paul to Timothy about bible study. Is that it?
So Christ only mentioned church once .... ONCE !
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Whose praying for me ? I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.
He mentioned the church in Matthew chapter 16 also. So you have a mention in chapter 16 of Matthew and chapter 18. That's two mentions in the Gospel.
Now in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 Christ mentions the church or churches more times.
Now, though the word "church" may not have been mentioned it is strongly implied in such techings as in chapter 15 - the Vine and the Branches, chapter 17 on the oneness.
In Acts Paul's persecution of the church was regarded by the ascended Christ as Paul's persecution of Christ Himself - "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute ME" Which confirms Paul's expositon that the church is the Body of Christ.
John chapter 14 about the Father's house is certainly a reference to the church.
Then you have Christ continuing to teach about the church through His apostles, especially PAul. You see you do not take seriously Christ's words about us listening to His apostles.
He prayed for His apostles. They faithfully carried out His teachings. Though they did make some mistakes they still faithfully carried out His teachings. YOU DO NOT TAKE THE APOSTLES SERIOUSLY AS CHRIST'S AMBASSADERS.
In utter arrogance you think they need to learn a thing or two at YOUR feet.
So Jesus mentioned the church MORE THAN ONCE. He didn't just send out a whole lot of individuals in an individualistic way telling them to go love everyone.
He taught love, of course. He also taught about the church in both of its aspects - The Universal and the Local aspects.
Bad churches DOESN'T mean Jesus didn't teach about the church.
Neither did He teach "Love Everybody and Don't Study the Bible."
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by TheSkipperIf they don't have Unity among themselves, how can they handle the Trinity?
I love watching Christians eat their own. 😉
"I love God more!" "No! I do"
"You are a philistine!" "At least I don't practice Paulism."
I love it, keep it up boys!
21 Jul 08
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Originally posted by jaywill…I can recall many instances when God was or was not happy with me…
I can recall many instances when God was or was not happy with me.
I do not mean that God is occupied with one person - me alone.
He can multiprocess, you know?
Do not misunderstand me to mean that God is totally occupied with one person alone and cannot simultaneously be happy or sad with more than one person at a time.
At each one of those moments of time, how did you acquire the knowledge that “god” was or was not happy specifically with you?