11 Mar 21
@avalanchethecat saidSimple .. when there is no application of just punishment.
I cannot think of an instance where vengeance, as distinct from the application of just punishment, is a morally correct course of action.
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11 Mar 21
@avalanchethecat saidI'm not sure the two are distinct. A just punishment often contains an element of vengeance.
I cannot think of an instance where vengeance, as distinct from the application of just punishment, is a morally correct course of action.
11 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI know the tendency exists, but it really shouldn't.
I'm not sure the two are distinct. A just punishment often contains an element of vengeance.
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11 Mar 21
@avalanchethecat saidBut doesn't a just punishment seek to avenge the wrong done to a victim?
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that vengeance is ok as a part of a 'just' punishment, I was merely clarifying the term. Vengeance should play no part in a just punishment.
11 Mar 21
@avalanchethecat saidI got you. Im saying that in the absence of just punishment vengeance is necessary. I would define a just punishment as something decided upon by some authority not connected with the matter, whereas vengeance is carried out by the offended party.
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that vengeance is ok as a part of a 'just' punishment, I was merely clarifying the term. Vengeance should play no part in a just punishment.
11 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat is certainly an argument. I personally don't think it's the case; a just punishment should be one which is agreed by statute or precedent to be the appropriate sanction for the transgression.
But doesn't a just punishment seek to avenge the wrong done to a victim?
11 Mar 21
@rajk999 saidAh I see. I'm not sure I feel that vengeance is a necessary response in the absence of authority. Some form of punitive response is probably justified and may well be prudent, of course. That seems to me to be more of a moral obligation than an exercise in revenge, though I accept you might find the distinction tenuous.
I got you. Im saying that in the absence of just punishment vengeance is necessary. I would define a just punishment as something decided upon by some authority not connected with the matter, whereas vengeance is carried out by the offended party.
11 Mar 21
@avalanchethecat saidSo a just punishment is simply state enforced vengeance.
That is certainly an argument. I personally don't think it's the case; a just punishment should be one which is agreed by statute or precedent to be the appropriate sanction for the transgression.