When You Die Will You Go To Heaven Or Hell?

Originally posted by Starrman
I don't understand your last sentence, please explain.

OK why do you refuse to belive that GOD exist....

1) Is it because you don't see him?
2) Because religon is a sort of control that you think you shouldn't follow?

Originally posted by ahosyney
Can I ask where do you get you morals from? What is the origin of morals in the human life?

If you mean my personal moral code; mostly taught by my parents, later eeked out through my own expereinces and reasoning upon them. If you mean the origins of morals in homo sapiens, then I believe it was born from the development of social groupings in the pursuit of resources. What benefits the tribe reciprocally increases their likelyhood for survival and success.

Originally posted by ahosyney
OK why do you refuse to belive that GOD exist....

1) Is it because you don't see him?
2) Because religon is a sort of control that you think you shouldn't follow?

I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation at hand, but I'm a weak atheist, I deny the existence of god when faced with a lack of evidence to support his existence.

Originally posted by Starrman
I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation at hand, but I'm a weak atheist, I deny the existence of god when faced with a lack of evidence to support his existence.

OK , then you will not get my point.

What evidences do you need to prove GOD existance?

Originally posted by Starrman
If you mean my personal moral code; mostly taught by my parents, later eeked out through my own expereinces and reasoning upon them. If you mean the origins of morals in homo sapiens, then I believe it was born from the development of social groupings in the pursuit of resources. What benefits the tribe reciprocally increases their likelyhood for survival and success.

I belive that the origan of morals come from religons, what ever religon is. But of course you will not accept that. But for me I got all my morals from my religon and I don't think there is a problem about that.

Originally posted by ahosyney
OK , then you will not get my point.

What evidences do you need to prove GOD existance?

Why should I not get your point? Just because I am an atheist does not mean I am unable to grasp Christian views...

Convincing evidence that the supernatural exists, not just that born out of natural human actions.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I belive that the origan of morals come from religons, what ever religon is. But of course you will not accept that. But for me I got all my morals from my religon and I don't think there is a problem about that.

Let me ask you a question then. Before you learned about God did you go around beating up or stealing from your friends? If you did, who was it that told you you were wrong? Your parents or your god?

Originally posted by ahosyney
Again the law is the same as the definition of Good person, it is all human made. So they are depending on the persons who wrote them. Differe from one socity to the other, they are not perfect. But most of all it the same sort of control that you refuse GOD existance for.

If there is a god, let us pray to him to interpret your horrible sentences!

Let me help you. You are not asking what keeps us from doing bad things. You want to know where the definition of good comes from. I agree with others that any definition is subjective. Even the theist suffers from Euthyphro's Dilemma (despite some rather vigorous attempts to deny it).

In all, if you are genuinely interested in these questions (and I strongly doubt that you are), then you should go do some research. These questions have been asked and addressed many times over. Not only on these boards, but in the wider academic literature as well.

Okay, sorry to bother you with reason. Please, continue with your selfish prostelytizing.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I belive that the origan of morals come from religons, what ever religon is. But of course you will not accept that. But for me I got all my morals from my religon and I don't think there is a problem about that.

Let's be more clear. You get your morals from your mommy and daddy and pastor. That's where it really comes from. I doubt you know much about your Bible.

Originally posted by Starrman
Let me ask you a question then. Before you learned about God did you go around beating up or stealing from your friends? If you did, who was it that told you you were wrong? Your parents or your god?

Of course the answer to you questions is my parents. But that is not the only thing you learn in you life. My parents didn't teach me all what I know in my life. I learned that from what GOD told me.

Besides my parent teach me from what they know from GOD too. When they told me not to lie, they told me that from what GOD told them.

Originally posted by Starrman
Why should I not get your point? Just because I am an atheist does not mean I am unable to grasp Christian views...

Convincing evidence that the supernatural exists, not just that born out of natural human actions.

I'm not christian ,

So I have a different view.

But that is not what I mean. I belive that some don't want to belive that GOD exists just to get rid of what religon ask them to do. My be in christinity it is not clear what GOD wants from you. But in my religon it is so clear. I'm muslim.

Originally posted by telerion
Let's be more clear. You get your morals from your mommy and daddy and pastor. That's where it really comes from. I doubt you know much about your Bible.

I read the bible that why I belive it cannot be the words of GOD. There is no morals there, that why I'm not christian.

Originally posted by Starrman
If you mean my personal moral code; mostly taught by my parents, later eeked out through my own expereinces and reasoning upon them. If you mean the origins of morals in homo sapiens, then I believe it was born from the development of social groupings in the pursuit of resources. What benefits the tribe reciprocally increases their likelyhood for survival and success.

I think you're on the money.

We are a social animal and would not have reached our current state without mutual cooperation. The basic moral code is innate though refined by laws and used by religion.

If you don't agree, tate a look at other developed, social animals, eg. chimps - they have structure and rules.

Did god tell them?

Originally posted by ahosyney
I'm not christian ,

So I have a different view.

But that is not what I mean. I belive that some don't want to belive that GOD exists just to get rid of what religon ask them to do. My be in christinity it is not clear what GOD wants from you. But in my religon it is so clear. I'm muslim.

Apologies for my presumption on you being a Christian.

However, the same is true for Christianity or Islam.

Originally posted by Starrman
Apologies for my presumption on you being a Christian.

However, the same is true for Christianity or Islam.

Ditto.