Originally posted by moonbus"Isn't there some slight sheen of presumption in comparing oneself to OT patriarchs (or matriarchs, as the case may be)?" OT and NT: There certainly would be for me. I spoke accurately for myself with reference to the steadfast faith and loyal heroics of some biblical personages; I do relate to the errors of judgment and disobedient actions of many if not all on occasion. I've messed up too. And still do. Thankfully God has made a provision for restoration of fellowship [1John 1:9]. With respect to robbie, divegeester, Suzianne and anyone else I respect their right to viewpoints of their own. I'm sure robbie is well aware that King Solomon screwed up big time as did his father King David. In Ecclesiastes he concluded that all is vanity from a human point of view. "Upon this pebble I will build my church," refers to Peter's faith in Christ.
"The Koine Greek in context for Peter isn't rock. It's a pebble." As in "Upon this pebble I will build my church," I presume. How now for Robbie 'compared' to King Solomon? Of course, I took Robbie's statement to be hyperbole; how like him. I just wonder what the orders of diminishing magnitude might be, from "rock" to "pebble," to … "mote" maybe.
Originally posted by moonbusAccording to the interlinear the term is taken from the Greek, petra. On what basis are you saying that its a pebble instead of a rock? For i have found no translation which translates it as such.
"The Koine Greek in context for Peter isn't rock. It's a pebble." As in "Upon this pebble I will build my church," I presume. How now for Robbie 'compared' to King Solomon? Of course, I took Robbie's statement to be hyperbole; how like him. I just wonder what the orders of diminishing magnitude might be, from "rock" to "pebble," to … "mote" maybe.
http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/16-18.htm
Originally posted by robbie carrobierobbie, here's my point of reference: "Matthew 16:15-18 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 15 He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are [a]the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon [b ]Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 I also say to you that you are [c]Peter, and upon this [d]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it."
According to the interlinear the term is taken from the Greek, petra. On what basis are you saying that its a pebble instead of a rock? For i have found no translation which translates it as such.
http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/16-18.htm
"Footnotes: a.Matthew 16:16 I.e. the Messiah; b.Matthew 16:17 I.e. son of Jonah; c.Matthew 16:18 Gr Petros, a stone; d.Matthew 16:18 Gr petra, large rock; bed-rock."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A15-18#en-NASB-23691
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"Which Bible Person are You?"
"Which Bible Person are You?"
100% Pure Entertainment. Twelve simple questions with four multiple choice answers provided (except for Question 12. for which there's obviously two) and then you'll receive your profile. No typing; just click the box you select. And take it again as often as you like for confirmation. Please let us know which bible ...[text shortened]... am (gender)?
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All Eleven Answers Upper Left/Male: "You are courageous and strong in your actions. You are loyal to those above you, despite them persecuting you.You love God deeply. You forgive quickly. You love to sing at all times. You Are David!"
http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
All Eleven Answers Upper Left/Female: "You are perseverant. Even though God was silent to your request for many years, you never stopped praying. You never doubted God’s abilities. You were provoked and mocked about things out of your control. But you continued praying fervently and in due time your request was fulfilled. You Are Hannah!"
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"Which Bible Person are You?"
All Eleven Answers Upper Right/Male: "You’re a fiercely loyal man. Willing to put everything on the line to follow your heart and after the truth. You’re fearless to declare what you believe. You are the center, the rock, for many people in your life. You Are Peter!" http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
All Eleven Answers Upper Right/Female: "You are a sterling example of faith but also one of courage. When you ask for something, it has a great purpose. You are willing to risk your life for the life of others. You know when it’s time for justice, and most of all You know that after you have done all you can do the Lord will handle the rest. You Are Esther!"
http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
"All Eleven Answers Lower Left/Male: "You are clever and decisive. Perseverance is in your DNA. You use both your mind and strength to build your wealth and family. When you need something, you Get it no matter what it takes. You Are Jacob!" http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
"All Eleven Answers Lower Left/Female: "A perfect example of a humble and contrite woman. You were a foreigner who became an insider and a foundation. You’re willing to give up everything renouncing all that you hold dear to begin a total new life with little or nothing. You exhibit a faith and loyalty that is rare in the world. You Are Ruth!"
http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
"All Eleven Answers Lower Right/Male: "You are clever and decisive. Perseverance is in your DNA. You use both your mind and strength to build your wealth and family. When you need something, you Get it no matter what it takes. You Are Jacob!" http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
"Which Bible Person are You?"
"All Eleven Answers Lower Right/Female: "A perfect example of a humble and contrite woman. You were a foreigner who became an insider and a foundation. You’re willing to give up everything renouncing all that you hold dear to begin a total new life with little or nothing. You exhibit a faith and loyalty that is rare in the world. You Are Ruth!"
http://www.ebiblemovies.com/bible-person-quiz/i-am-peter-which-bible-person-are-you/
Note: Verified each of the eight matrix answers by doing them twice; unable to explain the lower quadrant duplicates. The variety of "Bible Persons" I noticed on Facebook must result from the selection of answers from each of the four choices.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOn the negative side I see myself as Jacob.
[b]"Which Bible Person are You?"
"All Eleven Answers Lower Right/Female: "A perfect example of a humble and contrite woman. You were a foreigner who became an insider and a foundation. You’re willing to give up everything renouncing all that you hold dear to begin a total new life with little or nothing. You exhibit a faith and loyalty that is ra ...[text shortened]... " I noticed on Facebook must result from the selection of answers from each of the four choices.[/b]
(But Jacob is not really all negative, but sovereign)
I would like to start a thread on Jacob.
On the side of what I am in Christ, I see myself as Christ for He is my Forerunner.