While Rajk999 is Gone

Originally posted by @secondson
Have you read Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13 yet?

I have read the Bible dozens of times. i have been doing this for over 40 yrs. I know all the passages Trinitarians use to justify their doctrine.

It still makes no sense .
God did not preach it
Jesus did not preach it
Neither did Paul

Originally posted by @rajk999
I have read the Bible dozens of times. i have been doing this for over 40 yrs. I know all the passages Trinitarians use to justify their doctrine.

It still makes no sense .
God did not preach it
Jesus did not preach it
Neither did Paul

So now Paul is equal to God and Jesus? All because he preached some rather bigoted things that you agree with? This speaks volumes about why you raise yourself above all Christians in this forum.

Are you God too?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Like I already told you your English Comprehension is poor.
Personal is when you need to ask about me.

Is it possible for a discussion on the doctrine of Christ to proceed without discussing me? It does not seem so. because when you people have nothing to say the conversation degenerates to who is who and who did what etc etc ..

Not interested in discussing that...

Take the personal part out of it.

Do you think someone has to be born again to see the Kingdom of God? What do you think Jesus meant when He said that?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Take the personal part out of it.

Do you think someone has to be born again to see the Kingdom of God? What do you think Jesus meant when He said that?

Yes.
Two kinds of born again .. of water and of the spirit.
Of water = baptism
Of the Spirit = regeneration

Originally posted by @rajk999
Yes.
Two kinds of born again .. of water and of the spirit.
Of water = baptism
Of the Spirit = regeneration

What do you think happens in regeneration? In other words, how do you define it?

I think many Christians believe being born of the Spirit refers to the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit. Do you believe that or do you think it means something else?

Originally posted by @romans1009
What do you think happens in regeneration? In other words, how do you define it?

I think many Christians believe being born of the Spirit refers to the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit. Do you believe that or do you think it means something else?

Jesus said regeneration takes place when he returns. So it has not happened yet. People can believe whatever they like.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus said regeneration takes place when he returns. So it has not happened yet. People can believe whatever they like.

Ok, thanks for replies.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Is it possible for a discussion on the doctrine of Christ to proceed... It does not seem so...

Because of you.

Discuss this then. It's not about you. It's not personal.

Zechariah 12:1-10
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,..

LORD (Jehovah) seven times.
Personal pronoun I seven times.
There's no doubt that the one speaking is God.
"...and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,..

Let's see if we can get a real discussion going on here. I'm willing, but are you?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus said regeneration takes place when he returns. So it has not happened yet. People can believe whatever they like.

That word "regeneration", in the context of Matthew, has to do with the future. Notice what Jesus said, ".., in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,.."

That's future. Today, in this the dispensation of the age of grace, believers are born again by the baptism of the Holy Ghost into the body of Christ.

The Word "regeneration" occurs only twice in the New Testament.

Paul uses it in another context in relation to the experience of believers in this age.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Saved. Past tense. Washing of regeneration. Renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Born again. Absolutely assurance.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

"Christ in you". Born again.

If you ain't born again you ain't saved. You don't have the "hope of glory", which is absolute assurance of salvation as a present possession.

Originally posted by @secondson
Because of you.

Discuss this then. It's not about you. It's not personal.

Zechariah 12:1-10
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round ...[text shortened]... ced,..

Let's see if we can get a real discussion going on here. I'm willing, but are you?[/b]

Let me see if I can put this is proper perspective so that there will be no argument.

I have never doubted that there are passages which appear to support the doctrine of Jesus being God. People can chose whatever doctrine suits them. Personally I have, because of the confusion gravitated to what Jesus says clearly, to what God says clearly and what Paul says clearly in the New Testament. From those writings I can see that God called Jesus his Son etc etc.

Now I have never once said to anyone here that they do not know Jesus because they believe that Jesus is God. This is the language of you, leneunammi, romans etc etc. This is not a critical matter as far as ones eternal life is concerned. YOU PEOPLE make it a matter of utmost importance to believe that Jesus is God. I dont do that, Jesus did not it either. Paul did not.

This the doctrine of churches that a Christian MUST believe that Jesus is God otherwise thye dont know Jesus. You are free to believe as you wish. I believe it how Jesus said it.
Jesus is the Son of God
God is greater than Jesus
God is the head of Christ.

If you believe that Jesus is God, that is your prerogative. It is not a matter of salvation.
If you think it is then maybe you can show me where the Bible says that.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Let me see if I can put this is proper perspective so that there will be no argument.

I have never doubted that there are passages which appear to support the doctrine of Jesus being God. People can chose whatever doctrine suits them. Personally I have, because of the confusion gravitated to what Jesus says clearly, to what God says clearly and what Paul ...[text shortened]... a matter of salvation.
If you think it is then maybe you can show me where the Bible says that.

Now I have never once said to anyone here that they do not know Jesus because they believe that Jesus is God. This is the language of you, leneunammi, romans etc etc.

As you are so fond of saying, show me where this is something I have said. Better yet, show everyone where I have implied this. I haven't, please don't misrepresent me, please don't lie.

Originally posted by @leunammi

Now I have never once said to anyone here that they do not know Jesus because they believe that Jesus is God. This is the language of you, leneunammi, romans etc etc.

As you are so fond of saying, show me where this is something I have said. Better yet, show everyone where I have implied this. I haven't, please don't misrepresent me, please don't lie.

Did you not accuse me of preaching a different Jesus?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Did you not accuse me of preaching a different Jesus?

I most certainly did not, here is what I stated from page 7.

Maybe like the JW's, Mormons, you are preaching Jesus, a different Jesus. I know you reference much from the bible, especially Jesus words and Jesus words/commandments are very important. But with how you deliver? I know I can't relate. We agree on some things, this is true but your bitterness and contempt for those who profess Jesus in this forum is uncanny. You embrace those that deny God all together (choose a side) but castigate those Christians who have a view (position, understanding, interpretation) that differs from yours. Very peculiar indeed. Why is that?

In the interchange (two distinctions are drawn) I said maybe like the JW & Mormons, there is a big difference from saying you do vs. maybe you do.

Originally posted by @secondson
That word "regeneration", in the context of Matthew, has to do with the future. Notice what Jesus said, ".., in the regeneration [b]when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,.."

That's future. Today, in this the dispensation of the age of grace, believers are born again by the baptism of the Holy Ghost into the body of Christ.

Th ...[text shortened]... on't have the "hope of glory", which is absolute assurance of salvation as a present possession.[/b]

Are you saying that born again is absolute assurance ?
If you are then that is more fabricated Church doctrine. Not in the Bible.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Let me see if I can put this is proper perspective so that there will be no argument.

I have never doubted that there are passages which appear to support the doctrine of Jesus being God. People can chose whatever doctrine suits them. Personally I have, because of the confusion gravitated to what Jesus says clearly, to what God says clearly and what Paul ...[text shortened]... a matter of salvation.
If you think it is then maybe you can show me where the Bible says that.

"Now I have never once said to anyone here that they do not know Jesus because they believe that Jesus is God."

Disingenuous.

You called me a goat. Goats don't know Jesus. The implication is the same as saying I don't know Jesus. I don't care how you parse it out.

Thing is, what I said to you was, "you know the wrong Jesus" because you deny His divinity. Sure, you know the Jesus in the gospels, but that's as far as your knowledge allows.

What you don't understand is why Jesus is called "the son of God" or why He said "the Father is greater than I".

Those statements, contrary to what you think you understand about them, are not proof texts for Jesus being anything less than God.

For example; 1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Look at the context. Paul is giving instructions to the Corinthian church in regards to the conflicts within that assembly. They had all the gifts of the Holy Ghost going on, but were in disarray and out of order. There's a whole list of issues I won't cover here, but in chapter 11 Paul was addressing the issue of order in regards to the structure of authority.

God is a God of order. God is telling us what that order should look like in the church.

The context is key to proper exegesis. The context of 1 Corinthians 11 is about order, not the deity of Christ.

Please allow a moment for that to sink in. Ponder it a while. Be sure you're absolutely certain about what you think you know about 1 Corinthians 11:3.

One can't just pull verses out of their context without regards to the context from which they're derived. It is poor exegesis to do so.