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The two judgments are separated in time by at least one thousand years.
The Scripture says that resurrection occurs twice, and the two resurrections are separated by a thousand years.
"The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection." (Rev. 20:5)
If you insist that Matthew 25:31-46 describes the last judgement of Revelation 20:11-15 then you confuse the first and the second resurrection which are at least a thousand years apart.
"[T]he rest of the dead" are raised to be judged after the millennium. But the saved in Matthew 25:31-46 enter into the beginning of the millennium.
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There is a difference also in what the Christians are ordained to enjoy as blessings and what these saved "sheep" inherit a blesings.
The church is ordained to the blessings of God prepared "BEFORE the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4) .
The spared nations coming out of the great tribulation are to enjoy the blessings prepared for them "FROM the foundation of the world." (Matt. 25:34).
Witness Lee's footnote in the Recovery Version is helpful.
Footnote 34(1) for Matt. 25:34.
After the judgment at Christ's throne of glory, the "sheep" will be transferred into the millennium to be the people living under the kingly ruling of Christ and the overcoming believers (Rev. 2:26-27; 12:5; 20:4-6) and under the priestly ministry of the saved Jews (Zech. 8:20-23). In this way the "sheep" will inherit the (coming) kingdom. In the millennium there will be three sections: (1) the earth, where the blessing of God's creation will be, as mentioned in Gen. 1:28-30; (2) the nation of Israel in Canaan, from the Nile to the Euphrates, from which the saved Jews will rule over the whole earth (Isa. 60:10-12; Zech. 14:16-18); and (3) the heavenly and spiritual section ( 1 Cor. 15:50-52), the manifestation of the kingdom of the heavens, where the overcoming believers will enjoy the kingdom reward (5:20; 7:21). The kingdom that the "sheep" will inherit consists of the first section.
The blessing of the above first section in the millennium, the blessing of God's creation, was prepared for the "sheep" from the foundation of the world. In contrast the blessing of the third section, the spiritual and heavenly kingdom, was ordained for the believers before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:3,4).
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Originally posted by @sonshipYou and Watchman / Witness can talk all day
There is a difference also in what the Christians are ordained to enjoy as blessings and what these saved [b]"sheep" inherit a blesings.
The church is ordained to the blessings of God prepared "BEFORE the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4) .
The spared nations coming out of the great tribulation are to enjoy the blessings prepared for the ...[text shortened]... kingdom, was ordained for the believers before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:3,4).[/b]
All the nonsense you like'
Jesus said :
My sheep hear my voice,
and I know them,
and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(John 10:27-28 KJV)
Goats dont do good works and are cast out
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Originally posted by @apathist
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I am not a possession.
I understand that you think you are completely free.
But you are under the persuasion of some people.
You will trust what someone told you along the path of life.
its good to consider who they are.
Especially if believing what was told you effects your eternal destiny.
Some people sometimes think I'm a problem though. You'd understand that, I think.
We all are problems. And those who said you are a problem are themselves a problem.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
The difficulty is letting the circle of God's truth just be around you for a moment and not other - as if each person must be healed one at a time.
The Gospel makes people feel "picked on" personally.
But this is the wrong attitude.
Healing and liberation comes from God like - one person at a time.
Its not so bad when you realize that God's love is coming to us personally, kind of "one person at a time."
Of course you're a problem. I'm a even bigger problem. At least I know more of my problems.
There's a Doctor. There's a Healer. There's a Great Physician Jesus. That I know.
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Originally posted by @apathistThat's what I mean by "Whose fool are you?"
No one really cares why zeus killed apollo, because um no one believes they exist. Same with jesus and god, buddy. Even you.
By ingesting some of the stuff like RIchard Carrier puts out on the Internet or other mythicists you're duped to evaluate Greek mythology as equal to the New Testament.
Even skeptical New Testament critic Bart Erhman said the Christ myth exponents are making fools of themselves to serious historical research to suggest that Jesus never existed.
You will trust somebody in life. And that person's fool you may end up being.
Maybe you're Charles Darwin's fool?
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Rajk999 says the sheep are disciples of Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46. Many Bible readers assume so. I did too for a good while.
If being charitable to oppressed refugees is the way to earn eternal life then we can discard the entire Gospel of John aside as wrong.
Then there is no need to believe in the Son of God.
You be an athiest who is charitable.
God won't care even if you hate Him and His Son.
He will justify you because you were kind and charitable.
Well in Acts 10 God appreciated the alms of Cornelius. But He still wanted Cornelius to hear Peter announce the Gospel to him. Didn't He?
Cornelius's alms were not enough for Cornelius to receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life solely based on his charity.
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Cornelius in Acts 10 was told by God in a dream that his charitable giving had gone up as a memorial before God. Yet God still directed him to hear the Gospel from Peter.
How come Christ didn't just say that Cornelius was kind to the least of these His brothers, and save him based only on that?
Rajk999?
Peter comes in obedience, preaches the Gospel and they get saved and receive the Holy Spirit. And Peter says it was their solemn duty to announce Jesus Christ to them.
"And He has charged us to proclaim to the people and solemnly testify that through His name everyone who believes into Him will receive forgiveness of sins." (Acts 10:42)
It was not the case that Cornelius being kind to these the least of Christ's brothers was enough for him to be forgiven of his sins though God noted his alms to the poor.
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Originally posted by @sonshipDid the Bible say anything about being charitable to oppressed refugees?
Rajk999 says the sheep are disciples of Jesus in [b]Matthew 25:31-46. Many Bible readers assume so. I did too for a good while.
If being charitable to oppressed refugees is the way to earn eternal life then we can discard the entire Gospel of John aside as wrong.
Then there is no need to believe in the Son of God.
You be an athiest who i ...[text shortened]... ot enough for Cornelius to receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life solely based on his charity.[/b]
You are false and deceitful ti your bones.
Not an straight truthful word comes out of your mouth.
Originally posted by @sonshipCornelius would have been in the KIngdom of God even if Peter did not go to him
Cornelius in [b]Acts 10 was told by God in a dream that his charitable giving had gone up as a memorial before God. Yet God still directed him to hear the Gospel from Peter.
How come Christ didn't just say that Cornelius was kind to the least of these His brothers, and save him based only on that?
Rajk999?
Peter comes in obedience, preaches th ...[text shortened]... 's brothers was enough for him to be forgiven of his sins though God noted his alms to the poor.[/b]
God sent Peter so that Cornelius can be baptised and be one of the elect of God.
There are several levels of people in the Kingdom of God. The elect is a chosen group who will rule with Christ. Ordinary good and righteous people will also be in Gods Kingdom but not in that privileged position.
Those elect of God are both faithful baptised into Christ and righteous and do good works in this group.
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Originally posted by @rajk999What do you think "alms" means?
Did the Bible say anything about being charitable to oppressed refugees?
You are false and deceitful ti your bones.
Not an straight truthful word comes out of your mouth.
Giving to those is desperate need, is the meaning.
Now there was in Caesarea a certain man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort,
Devout and one who feared God with all his household, giving alms to the people and beseeching God continually." (Acts 10:1,2)
The angel in his vision said his alms were noticed by God positively.
"And he said to him, Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God." (v.4)
It was necessary for God's own reasons, that Cornelius hear about the atonement of Christ. We don't see it being said to Peter to skip preaching to him because he had all that was needed in his giving of alms.
The sheep of Matthew 25:31-46 are in a transitional time between two dispensations. And God brings them into the sphere of the blessings of eternal life not because they knew Jesus but they gave a cup of water to a prophet because they perceived these people were of God.
We know that Christ indicated circumstances in which those who assist people of God will receive the reward of people of God.
[quote] "He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward, and he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
And whoever gives to one of these little ones only a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, truly I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward." (Matt. 10:41-42) [quote]
No one taught me to use this passage. And maybe I am misunderstanding it.
But today I think this kind of promise relates to the assistance given to persecuted Christians and elect Jews during the time of Antichrist's severe opposition to the coming kingdom of God.
These ones giving assistance may just have a feeling in their God created consciences that it is wrong to starve, imprison, leave sick and naked those related to a hope in God.
All those following Antichrist consider Antichrist as telling them the truth that he is God.
The dispensational transition will see some ignorant people listening to their conscience and aware at least of God's existence as justifying them to be the people reigned over in the millennium.