While Rajk999 is Gone

The sheep of Matthew 25:31-46 are those people who responded positively to the preaching of "an eternal gospel" supernaturally, by an angel during the great tribulation.

We have to realize that during that time it may be hard to even get one's hands on a Bible. Perhaps the New Testament will be banned in some parts of the world.

These people from the nations did not know about Christ. If the sheep were Christians they would understand that the persecuted refugees are the least of these Christ's brothers.

They clearly did not know. Before the throne of Christ's glory they know they are being examined by a Divine King. they rightly call Him the Lord. But all else is a surprise to them.

'Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, Lord when have we seen You hungry and have fed You, or thirsty and have given You a drink? And when have we seen You sick or in prison and have come to You?

And the King will answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of thee, the least of My brothers, you have done it to Me." (Matt. 25:37-40)

The "least of these My brothers" must be the third group present of whom Jesus is speaking. They are not the sheep. And they are not the goats.

All three groups, however, have experienced the time of the great tribulation. The brothers down to the least are either resurrected from severe persecution then or had passed alive and sorely persecuted through those times.

Consult the times of the great tribulation in Revelation 14.

" And the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

Here is the endurance of the saints [Christ's persecuted brothers down to the least of them] those who keep the commandments of God [elect Jews to be saved] and have the faith of Jesus [Christians] .

The post has to be short. It cannot cover all difficulties here.

Originally posted by @sonship
The sheep of [b]Matthew 25:31-46 are those people who responded positively to the preaching of "an eternal gospel" supernaturally, by an angel during the great tribulation.

We have to realize that during that time it may be hard to even get one's hands on a Bible. Perhaps the New Testament will be banned in some parts of the world.

These ...[text shortened]... [/b] [Christians] . [/quote]

The post has to be short. It cannot cover all difficulties here.[/b]

Come on let's twist again,
Like we did last summer!
Yeaaah, let's twist again,
Like we did last year!

Do you remember when,
Things were really hummin',
Yeaaaah, let's twist again,
Twistin' time is here!

I havn't posted here in a very long time, and thought I wouldn't again, change of plans. I visit the site every now and again to checkout what is being discussed, and your comment struck me and I believe it to be the truth.

The sheep of Matthew 25:31-46 are those people who responded positively to the preaching of "an eternal gospel" supernaturally, by an angel during the great tribulation.

We have to realize that during that time it may be hard to even get one's hands on a Bible. Perhaps the New Testament will be banned in some parts of the world.

I have felt in my being for sometime now that we should be devouring (reading) the Word and getting all that we can like we never have before, I think forces are already at work to outlaw the Bible not only in other parts of the world but here in the US, if not to neuter it with revision upon revision upon revision and make it irrelevant. We may already be in that time.

Sonship, although your posts sometimes are a bit wordy, I do appreciate the time you put into what you write it causes me to think about things in ways that perhaps I hadn't before and to dig deeper. Thanks and keep it up!

Originally posted by @leunammi
I havn't posted here in a very long time, and thought I wouldn't again, change of plans. I visit the site every now and again to checkout what is being discussed, and your comment struck me and I believe it to be the truth.

[quote]The sheep of Matthew 25:31-46 are those people who responded positively to the preaching of "an eternal gospel" supernatur ...[text shortened]... ink about things in ways that perhaps I hadn't before and to dig deeper. Thanks and keep it up!

Really ? OK two questions:
1. Do you understand and agree with what sonship is saying about sheep nations and goat nations?
2. How in an information age like the world has never before seen, can anyone stop people from having or reading bibles. Those days are over. What exactly is happening in the US that makes you think that you will not be able to read your bible ?

Originally posted by @leunammi
I havn't posted here in a very long time, and thought I wouldn't again, change of plans. I visit the site every now and again to checkout what is being discussed, and your comment struck me and I believe it to be the truth.

[quote]The sheep of Matthew 25:31-46 are those people who responded positively to the preaching of "an eternal gospel" supernatur ...[text shortened]... ink about things in ways that perhaps I hadn't before and to dig deeper. Thanks and keep it up!

"Sonship, although your posts sometimes are a bit wordy," - Understatement.

" I think forces are already at work to outlaw the Bible..." - Overstatement.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Really ? OK two questions:
1. Do you understand and agree with what sonship is saying about sheep nations and goat nations?
2. How in an information age like the world has never before seen, can anyone stop people from having or reading bibles. Those days are over. What exactly is happening in the US that makes you think that you will not be able to read your bible ?

Rajk999, I am not going to debate you. Our interchanges in the past have been fruitless at best and I can see from your exchanges with other personality's in this forum, not much has changed. You are genuinely not interested in other's views or why someone thinks/believes a thing, only your own and you then belittle and call others names; something that kids do on playgrounds. Some others that call themselves Christians do this as well (the belittling and name calling), pity, we should aspire to greater things and take the high ground. You wait for a belief/thought that differs from yours then you pounce. I personally have no problem with this mind you, it is more of knowing what you are working with and if one wants the abuse, personally I don't care for it. But you are not the only one, like I said others do this as well.

I will answer your questions though. As to #1, and do I think sonship is right? Dunno, I think sheeps and goats is your argument with him and frankly in the whole scheme of things, I find what one 'thinks' about it or whether one agrees with you or sonship on the topic to be of little consequence to me and what I think.

As to #2. Yes we are in the information age, and as never before we are moving in the direction of a complete virtual online world. Bibles are on phones, ipad, computers, all online and they link back to a database controlled by servers somewhere, controlled by someone. People don't read books anymore, many get rid of them because they take up space, bibles included. The phone is too convenient to have everything at your finger tips.

There looms the fragility of our electrical grid from terrorist attacks and the possible threat of EMP. What are you going to do when the lights go out? It is a question I pose to people when I see a heavy dependence forming on an electrical devices. When you cannot connect, what do you have? Nothing. Can it ever happen to the US, maybe maybe not, it is possible though. How many people lose their bibles if the grid goes down? More than we think I suspect. I wonder what people had in Puerto Rico after the hurricane, what they didn't have.

The ever changing political situation with just the word 'sin' and the use of the word as it relates to the bible is under constant attack and scrutiny. We in some places removed the ten commandments, we are starting to be told what can and cannot be 'preached' in churches, on and on and on. My thoughts only, not looking for agreement from anyone but think it is possible. We take way too much for granted.

can anyone stop people from having or reading bibles.

I think people can certainly do this, they could outlaw it.. Book burning was a thing in Nazi Germany, it could be a thing in the US. But it will only go under ground.

My only point in responding to sonship was that I agree with what could possibly happen with regards to the bible.



Psalm 119:9-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

9
How can a young man keep his way pure?
By keeping it according to Your word.
10
With all my heart I have sought You;
Do not let me wander from Your commandments.
11
Your word I have treasured in my heart,
That I may not sin against You.
12
Blessed are You, O Lord;
Teach me Your statutes.
13
With my lips I have told of
All the ordinances of Your mouth.
14
I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
As much as in all riches.
15
I will meditate on Your precepts
And regard Your ways.
16
I shall delight in Your statutes;
I shall not forget Your word.

The Word need to be in our hearts, needs to be consumed daily, needs to be treasured.

Is that last statement something you would you agree with?

Originally posted by @leunammi
Rajk999, I am not going to debate you. Our interchanges in the past have been fruitless at best and I can see from your exchanges with other personality's in this forum, not much has changed. You are genuinely not interested in other's views or why someone thinks/believes a thing, only your own and you then belittle and call others names; something that ...[text shortened]... ed daily, needs to be treasured.

Is that last statement something you would you agree with?

You are the worlds greatest coward and Im not interested in your opinion of me to be honest. I wonder if you are able to see that sonship is on a campaign to discredit every part of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles where they speak of how critical it is for Chrsitians to follow after good works and righteousness. His aim is to promote mouth worship.

In Matt 25 Jesus is saying clearly that only those who live righteously and do good works will enter the Kingdom of God. Sonship is devoting a whole thread to prove that this does not apply to Christians. If you are on the side of sonship then you are similarly contrary to Christ.

As for your last sentence I completely disagree if you mean that we must have a Bible. I dont understand what you mean. If that is what you mean then I personally dont care if someone takes away my Bible. Im not a bible worshiper. The bible is just paper.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You are the worlds greatest coward and Im not interested in your opinion of me to be honest. I wonder if you are able to see that sonship is on a campaign to discredit every part of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles where they speak of how critical it is for Chrsitians to follow after good works and righteousness. His aim is to promote mouth worship. ...[text shortened]... lly dont care if someone takes away my Bible. Im not a bible worshiper. The bible is just paper.

Talk about being a coward!

Have you read Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13 yet?

Originally posted by @rajk999
You are the worlds greatest coward and Im not interested in your opinion of me to be honest. I wonder if you are able to see that sonship is on a campaign to discredit every part of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles where they speak of how critical it is for Chrsitians to follow after good works and righteousness. His aim is to promote mouth worship. ...[text shortened]... lly dont care if someone takes away my Bible. Im not a bible worshiper. The bible is just paper.

I am not interested in yours and sonship debate, and sonship is not on any campaign to discredit Jesus and what he taught. It is only your perception.

Many that have gone before me have stated;

James 2:18-26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Faith and works together.

BTW, thanks for showing your true colors as I knew you would. I maybe a lot of things, but the world's greatest coward is not one of them.

As for your last statement, I said nothing about bible worshipping that is your view only. I am only pointing out that I believe it is important to know the bible, which is read, meditate, ponder on. Someday we may not have the bible but only what is written on our hearts. Agreed? Could you really no glean that from what I said?

Originally posted by @leunammi
I am not interested in yours and sonship debate, and sonship is not on any campaign to discredit Jesus and what he taught. It is only your perception.

Many that have gone before me have stated;

[b]James 2:18-26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the work ...[text shortened]... t only what is written on our hearts. Agreed? Could you really no glean that from what I said?[/b]

Sonship who you seem to admire believes that faith alone is all that is requred.
Works are not necessary. You seem to think that is ok.

You have this habit of just appearing to take a few petty pot shots at me .. so .. goodbye.
Next time you get bored go find some other pastime.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Sonship who you seem to admire believes that faith alone is all that is requred.
Works are not necessary. You seem to think that is ok.

You have this habit of just appearing to take a few petty pot shots at me .. so .. goodbye.
Next time you get bored go find some other pastime.

Let's be clear. My post was to sonship not you and you jumped in, I addressed you after you addressed me and stated I am not interested in carrying out a debate with you because of past experiences and your crude behavior (in so many words). My initial post was to sonship (not you) and how i agreed with something he said, that's all.

Brother, take a look in the mirror and consider your comment to me about 'pot shots', you should be surprised by what you find.

As far as admiring sonship? No! I don't even know him but maybe I can learn something from him, I thought the same of you at one time. The thing that you seem to forget, who is going to talk about their works and what they do? You don't know what people do out side of a forum in their everyday life. The manner in which you judge people with such a caviler attitude in this forum is mind blowing to me and you are the last one to see it (only you don't see it), it's a bit concerning.

Here is a snipet of what I believe

James 2:26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

As far as what I think is ok, you have no clue.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Sonship who you seem to admire believes that faith alone is all that is requred.
Works are not necessary. You seem to think that is ok.

You have this habit of just appearing to take a few petty pot shots at me .. so .. goodbye.
Next time you get bored go find some other pastime.

"Sonship, who you seem to admire, believes that faith alone is all that is required".

I hope you don't mind, but I corrected your grammar and the misspelled word for you. It's easier for me to read it.

Anyway, God believes that faith alone is all that's required. Consider Romans 4:16-25 for example. Just read it.

Abraham believed God and righteousness was imputed to him by faith, without works.

Originally posted by @secondson
[b]"Sonship, who you seem to admire, believes that faith alone is all that is required".

I hope you don't mind, but I corrected your grammar and the misspelled word for you. It's easier for me to read it.

Anyway, God believes that faith alone is all that's required. Consider Romans 4:16-25 for example. Just read it.

Abraham believed God and righteousness was imputed to him by faith, without works.[/b]

More cherry picking. Paul said that works are essential for eternal life. John, Peter all said the same thing

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:20-24 KJV)

You see pal, faith alone should bring the person to live righteously. But it does not always happen, and in these cases the result is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.

Dont cherry pick

Originally posted by @leunammi
Let's be clear. My post was to sonship not you and you jumped in, I addressed you after you addressed me and stated I am not interested in carrying out a debate with you because of past experiences and your crude behavior (in so many words). My initial post was to sonship (not you) and how i agreed with something he said, that's all.

Brother, take a ...[text shortened]... ]so also faith without works is dead[/i].

As far as what I think is ok, you have no clue.[/b]

You really have the nerve to waltz in and attack me and expect me to be nice to you ?

Im not your brother. go to hell

Originally posted by @secondson
Talk about being a coward!

Have you read Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13 yet?

I take my doctrine from Jesus Christ.