Spirituality
19 Aug 09
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by galveston75Apparently God is not a spirit at all, to be worshipped in spirit and truth but he now has a body of flesh and blood, and can bleed and can die as well????? I admire your patience my friend, i really do.
I know Robbie. I keep hoping that something will get thru to someone here. The Bible makes it so clear that as time goes on the light of the truth would get brighter and brighter which we know it has but Satan has got them all stuck in old beliefs with no progress in site. Part of the progress of the light or truth getting brighter is realizing that paga ...[text shortened]... listen to that and just maybe let their heart lead them in another direction. I hope so.....
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThanks Robbie but I seem to be running out. May take a brake for awhile and come back later to see what's going on...
Apparently God is not a spirit at all, to be worshipped in spirit and truth but he now has a body of flesh and blood, and can bleed and can die as well????? I admire your patience my friend, i really do.
But see you on the chess board. 🙂
24 Aug 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou have to decide whether you are going to give higher place to what you consider logical or to what is written in the Bible.
Apparently God is not a spirit at all, to be worshipped in spirit and truth but he now has a body of flesh and blood, and can bleed and can die as well????? I admire your patience my friend, i really do.
I cannot find a passage in the Bible saying God died. So I don't need to say it. My silence is then based on the Bible's silence. But I do find a passage saying that the Word Who was God and became flesh. And that man died.
You have to decide which has the higher place, what the word of God says or your concept of "good sense".
I have made my decision. I am giving higher place to what the word of God says.
Once again, I cannot find you an explicit passage saying "God died". So I don't need to proclaim "Hey, God died". I do find a passage saying the child born is called Mighty God and the Son given is called Eternal Father.
What happened is what happened. Now admit it ... Isn't it kind of ... mysterious ?
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by galveston75sorry i have neglected our game, i will make a move for convenience sake to let you get on with it!
Thanks Robbie but I seem to be running out. May take a brake for awhile and come back later to see what's going on...
But see you on the chess board. 🙂
24 Aug 09
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Originally posted by jaywilldo not talk nonsense! the Bible states that God is a Spirit, you are saying he is flesh and blood, the Bible states that God cannot die, you are saying that he has blood and can die, the Bible states that Christ is a mighty god, you are saying that he is Almighty God, and so it goes on and on, so enough of your posturing and empty insinuations, they are naught but cheap shots. you are silent not because of what the scriptures indicate, but because of you ideology, so let us not fool ourselves into thinking that it is something more noble than it actually is.
You have to decide whether you are going to give higher place to what you consider logical or to what is [b]written in the Bible.
I cannot find a passage in the Bible saying God died. So I don't need to say it. My silence is then based on the Bible's silence. But I do find a passage saying that the Word Who was God and became flesh. And that man die t happened is what happened. Now admit it ... Isn't it kind of ... mysterious ?[/b]
24 Aug 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie,
sorry i have neglected our game, i will make a move for convenience sake to let you get on with it!
If death means annhilation then why does Paul say for him to live is Christ and to die is gain?
How is annhilation "gain" to the apostle ?
See Phil. 1:21 - "For to me to live is Christ and to die is gain."
Explain also, if death is annhilation into non-existence, then how can Paul say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
"We are of good courage then and are well pleased rather to be abroad from the body and at home with the Lord." (2 Cor. 5:8)
"But I am constrained between the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for this is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." (Phil. 1:23,24)
These are not questions about the believer's eternal state in the future. These are questions about intermediary states before physical resurrection. For Paul to be absent from his body, in death, is for him to be with the Lord, at home with the Lord.
If his death means non-existence, how can this be ?
24 Aug 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie=============================
do not talk nonsense! the Bible states that God is a Spirit, you are saying he is flesh and blood, the Bible states that God cannot die, you are saying that he has blood and can die, the Bible states that Christ is a mighty god, you are saying that he is Almighty God, and so it goes on and on, so enough of your posturing and empty insinuations, they ...[text shortened]... so let us not fool ourselves into thinking that it is something more noble than it actually is.
do not talk nonsense! the Bible states that God is a Spirit, you are saying he is flesh and blood, the Bible states that God cannot die, you are saying that he has blood and can die, the Bible states that Christ is a mighty god, you are saying that he is Almighty God, and so it goes on and on, so enough of your posturing and empty insinuations, they are naught but cheap shots. you are silent not because of what the scriptures indicate, but because of you ideology, so let us not fool ourselves into thinking that it is something more noble than it actually is.
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You are NOT standing by ALL that the Bible says. You are cherry picking some of the things you like that it says because it confirms your pre-decided dogmatic belief.
Don't cherry pick. Take in everything it says, no matter what the cost. It also says a born child is called the Mighty God and a Son given is called Eternal Father.
I embrace it all, no matter what the cost.
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou intend to ignore my question.
well that is real rich Jaywill!
Okay. I take note of that. But think it over, if you really want the truth.
I see that you intend to evade me with cute one line put downs. Fine.
The question doesn't go away for the real seeker of the truth.
24 Aug 09
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Galveston,
Let me ask you. Robbie can't answer.
If death means annhilation then why does Paul say for him to live is Christ and to die is gain?
How is annhilation "gain" to the apostle ?
See Phil. 1:21 - "For to me to live is Christ and to die is gain."
Explain also, if death is annhilation into non-existence, then how can Paul say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
"We are of good courage then and are well pleased rather to be abroad from the body and at home with the Lord." (2 Cor. 5:8)
"But I am constrained between the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for this is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." (Phil. 1:23,24)
These are not questions about the believer's eternal state in the future. These are questions about intermediary states before physical resurrection. For Paul to be absent from his body, in death, is for him to be with the Lord, at home with the Lord.
If his death means non-existence, how can this be ?
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillJaywill, look you are jumping from one thing to another, first it was the prophecy of Isaiah, now you are talking of death and annihilation. what is it with you? i really do think it was quite rich of you considering that these are your two main reasons (among others i know) for trying to assert and establish the divinity of Christ. i have not ignore your question, but believe what you want, i really am fed up with talking about this, there are so many other good things that we could find at least some semblance of common ground upon, and this is sadly not one of them, yet we continue to speak of it for what seems like forever.
You intend to ignore my question.
Okay. I take note of that. But think it over, if you really want the truth.
I see that you intend to evade me with cute one line put downs. Fine.
The question doesn't go away for the real seeker of the truth.
24 Aug 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'll skim through your replies to see if there is an answer there to my question.
Jaywill, look you are jumping from one thing to another, first it was the prophecy of Isaiah, now you are talking of death and annihilation. what is it with you? i really do think it was quite rich of you considering that these are your two main reasons (among others i know) for trying to assert and establish the divinity of Christ. i have not ign ...[text shortened]... , and this is sadly not one of them, yet we continue to speak of it for what seems like forever.
The question is related to your understanding of death and that it means annhilation. This is related to God's incarnation in a man Who died.
I'm looking for your answer. You have none. So please step aside for awhile on this particular matter and see if Galveston has an answer.
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe both believe that God is the Creator. That is common ground.
Jaywill, look you are jumping from one thing to another, first it was the prophecy of Isaiah, now you are talking of death and annihilation. what is it with you? i really do think it was quite rich of you considering that these are your two main reasons (among others i know) for trying to assert and establish the divinity of Christ. i have not ign ...[text shortened]... , and this is sadly not one of them, yet we continue to speak of it for what seems like forever.
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywillIt is not that i cannot answer but you will not accept the answer, so why should i give it? it is in vain, really? death is a sleep like state, would you like me to show you where the Christ states that Lazarus is sleeping,? now when someone dies we hold that they are unconscious, in Gods memory , waiting to be resurrected (you do believe in the resurrection don't you?), therefore death is a temporary state of affairs, until the resurrection. Is that so hard to understand, i don't think so.
Galveston,
Let me ask [b]you. Robbie can't answer.
If death means annhilation then why does Paul say for him to live is Christ and to die is gain?
How is annhilation "gain" to the apostle ?
See Phil. 1:21 - "For to me to live is Christ and to die is gain."
Explain also, if death is annhilation into non-existence, then ho ...[text shortened]... e Lord, at home with the Lord.
If his death means non-existence, how can this be ?[/b]
24 Aug 09
Originally posted by jaywilli am sorry i did not realise that i was being interrogated, again!
I'll skim through your replies to see if there is an answer there to my question.
The question is related to your understanding of [b]death and that it means annhilation. This is related to God's incarnation in a man Who died.
I'm looking for your answer. You have none. So please step aside for awhile on this particular matter and see if Galveston has an answer.[/b]