Who is an antichrist

Originally posted by FMF
Is this also the reason why some Christians go to "Hell"?

I don't believe Christians go to Hell, since I believe Christians are the ones
that ask God into their lives, and God comes in and changes them. They will
walk with Him, obeying Him, loving Him and others and where they are weak
He is strong.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe you.
It isn't until you find a law that you acknowledge as true can you see sin for
what it is. For example, if you in your heart of hearts know you should not
lust after another man's wife, and you do, you know what sin is. If you know
you should not lie, cheat, or steal and you find yourself fudging numbers for
your taxes you understand sin ...[text shortened]... les we have in life are not
just guide posts, they are lamp posts showing us our nature.
Kelly

I don't acknowledge sin, there is no Biblical God for me. To be blunt, it's ludicrous nonsense.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't believe Christians go to Hell, since I believe Christians are the ones
that ask God into their lives, and God comes in and changes them. They will
walk with Him, obeying Him, loving Him and others and where they are weak
He is strong.
Kelly

So "Hell" is for non-Christians, according to your belief system?

Originally posted by KellyJay
For example, if you in your heart of hearts know you should not
lust after another man's wife, and you do, you know what sin is. If you know you should not lie, cheat, or steal and you find yourself fudging numbers for your taxes you understand sin.

The morality of "Do not harm ~ Do not deceive ~ Do not coerce" has got these things covered, and much more besides.

Originally posted by FMF
So "Hell" is for non-Christians, according to your belief system?

Yes, since only those that come to God through Jesus Christ will be
saved, He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. You used to read the
Bible you don't remember that verse?
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
The morality of "Do not harm ~ Do not deceive ~ Do not coerce" has got these things covered, and much more besides.

I agreed those are some fine standards, but they only serve one purpose
unless you live them all the time without fail, and that is show you where
you fall down and come up short.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, since only those that come to God through Jesus Christ will be
saved, He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. You used to read the
Bible you don't remember that verse?

I'll leave the quoting of the Bible to you as you are still hitching your outlook in life to it whereas I am not.

So it's "eternal torture" for all people with a different religion from you, yes?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agreed those are some fine standards, but they only serve one purpose
unless you live them all the time without fail, and that is show you where
you fall down and come up short.

Cannot the same be said for the standards by which Christians like yourself live? After all, you have admitted to your "fallen nature" and the fact that your life is "full of evil".

Originally posted by FMF
I'll leave the quoting of the Bible to you as you are still hitching your outlook in life to it whereas I am not.

So it's "eternal torture" for all people with a different religion from you, yes?

No, its you stay in your sins if you miss out on Jesus Christ, I have nothing
to do with it.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Cannot the same be said for the standards by which Christians like yourself live? After all, you have admitted to your "fallen nature" and the fact that your life is "full of evil".

For someone who claimed he was once a Christian you really this clueless
about the faith you once professed you had? If you were a Christian you'd
know it isn't our works that saves us, it isn't anything we do, it is Christ.
We are to follow God's Spirit, without which you do not belong to God. It is
a living faith, not one that is laid out in pure standards alone.

You really wonder still why I never believed you knew the Lord?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
For someone who claimed he was once a Christian you really this clueless
about the faith you once professed you had? If you were a Christian you'd
know it isn't our works that saves us, it isn't anything we do, it is Christ.
We are to follow God's Spirit, without which you do not belong to God. It is
a living faith, not one that is laid out in pure standards alone.

You really wonder still why I never believed you knew the Lord?
Kelly

I am not speaking to as a Christian. I am speaking to you as someone who finds Christian beliefs in part grotesque and in part utterly unable to withstand scrutiny. I will leave fighting the Christian corner to you. I am not attempting to parade any former Christian beliefs I may have had and I am not seeking, from you, approval or agreement with anything I may have believed in the past.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, its you stay in your sins if you miss out on Jesus Christ, I have nothing
to do with it.
Kelly

How can you have "nothing to do with it"? You either are a proponent of this ideology or you aren't. You can't distance yourself from your own personal opinions.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you were a Christian you'd know it isn't our works that saves us, it isn't anything we do, it is Christ. We are to follow God's Spirit, without which you do not belong to God. It is a living faith, not one that is laid out in pure standards alone.

So your "sin" is of no consequence if you believe in Jesus, is that what you mean?

Originally posted by FMF
How can you have "nothing to do with it"? You either are a proponent of this ideology or you aren't. You can't distance yourself from your own personal opinions.

I believe it is true, it is going to happen!
Now do I have to like it, no. Do I have to even agree with it for me to believe
it is true and going to happen, no. I do not turn on reality by those things
I like and agree with or that I dislike and disagree with.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
So your "sin" is of no consequence if you believe in Jesus, is that what you mean?

No, it was paid for by someone I care about who cares for me in a very
painful way.
Kelly