Who is an antichrist

Originally posted by FMF
But you have admitted that your life is "full of evil" and that you have a "fallen nature" and you have said "I don't see a difference between you and me" even as you accuse me of thinking "rape" and "murder" is "okay". If Jesus cannot make you live a morally sound life, then what is the point of citing him and mentioning him all the time?

You should take your time and read posts before you go off like that!
I said where you were going to get your standard was a place where all of
those things happen. The human race does those things, and when you say
society morals are okay, than you are picking up every thing in society.

Jesus can make you live a morally sound life IN HIM, it will never happen
as well follow our fleshly passions.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
A bit like this?

"“‘You are worthless without him. You need him in your life. You are unloveable and unworthy of love. You are evil and nothing you can ever do is good enough to be accepted by him. But he will love you, anyway, despite your state of unloveability, worthlessness, and evilness. Obey everything he says to do. He knows what is best for you, despi ...[text shortened]... d do with your life. You need to submit completely to his will.’ "

http://tinyurl.com/pr87x34

No, we were bought with a great price, Jesus' life. No one is worthless Jesus
paid dearly for us, we are much loved because He loved us even at our worst
he cares for us. He is a better way, we should submit to Him, as He is Lord.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You should take your time and read posts before you go off like that!
I said where you were going to get your standard was a place where all of
those things happen. The human race does those things, and when you say
society morals are okay, than you are picking up every thing in society.

You definitely appeared to have admitted that your life is "full of evil" and that you have a "fallen nature" and you also said "I don't see a difference between you and me". Are you retracting these things now?

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is simple, to do something requires action. To get to the point about doing
something, you'll think about it, the thoughts alone are enough for sin.
Kelly

There is no such concept as sin for me, I'm not a Christian Kelly.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, we were bought with a great price, Jesus' life. No one is worthless Jesus paid dearly for us, we are much loved because He loved us even at our worst he cares for us. He is a better way, we should submit to Him, as He is Lord.

No?

Let's go through it point by point:

You are worthless without Jesus.

You need Jesus in your life.

You are unworthy of Jesus' love.

You are evil and nothing you can ever do is good enough to be accepted by Him.

But He will love you, anyway, despite your state of unloveability, worthlessness, and evilness.

You obey everything He says to do.

He knows what is best for you, despite any plans, hopes, or dreams you have of your own that is not part of how He thinks you need to behave and what He thinks you should do with your life.

You need to submit completely to His will.

Don't these ring a bell?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You give me a few things to say well are these good, I said yes. Are they
done without fault, without going against your 'rules of goodness', because
if you not keep them, your own rules show you how bad you are, when you
cannot even keep them.
Kelly

What relevance does that have to me being okay with murders, rapes etc as you claimed?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What relevance does that have to me being okay with murders, rapes etc as you claimed?

The claim I made had to do with using people as the standard of right and
wrong, when people do the bad things I listed and more. I also said that even
though some of the things brought which were good to do, they really are
only good to do if you always did them. If you fall and not do them when
you acknowledge you should, they now only show you that you cannot even
keep up the good works you acknowledge you should do.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
No?

Let's go through it point by point:

You are worthless without Jesus.

You need Jesus in your life.

You are unworthy of Jesus' love.

You are evil and nothing you can ever do is good enough to be accepted by Him.

But He will love you, anyway, despite your state of unloveability, worthlessness, and evilness.

You obey everything He says ...[text shortened]... ld do with your life.

You need to submit completely to His will.

Don't these ring a bell?

I am worth what someone is willing to pay, that was a high price.
True in my flesh I cannot please God, in God's Spirit I can call God Father.
God loved us even when we were sinners.
Well, God knows the beginning from the end, He keeps track of everything,
all time, past, present, and future, I'd say He has a good handle on life and
how to live it.
We should submit to Him, He is God, look at what happen to the universe
when Adam and Eve did not.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I am worth what someone is willing to pay, that was a high price.
True in my flesh I cannot please God, in God's Spirit I can call God Father.
God loved us even when we were sinners.
Well, God knows the beginning from the end, He keeps track of everything,
all time, past, present, and future, I'd say He has a good handle on life and
how to live it.
We ...[text shortened]... should submit to Him, He is God, look at what happen to the universe
when Adam and Eve did not.

Are you worthless without Jesus? Do you need Jesus in your life? Do you obey everything He says to do? Do you feel you need to submit completely to His will?

Originally posted by KellyJay
The claim I made had to do with using people as the standard of right and
wrong, when people do the bad things I listed and more.

Which bit of the principle "Do no harm" means that "rape and murder" is "okay"?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
There is no such concept as sin for me, I'm not a Christian Kelly.

I believe you.
It isn't until you find a law that you acknowledge as true can you see sin for
what it is. For example, if you in your heart of hearts know you should not
lust after another man's wife, and you do, you know what sin is. If you know
you should not lie, cheat, or steal and you find yourself fudging numbers for
your taxes you understand sin. The law, or the rules we have in life are not
just guide posts, they are lamp posts showing us our nature.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Are you worthless without Jesus? Do you need Jesus in your life? Do you obey everything He says to do? Do you feel you need to submit completely to His will?

I love the Lord yes!
I know how bad I can be without Him, yes!
I try to obey Him in all He wants for me, yes!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you fall and not do [good works] when you acknowledge you should, they now only show you that you cannot even keep up the good works you acknowledge you should do.

Is this also the reason why some Christians go to "Hell"?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I love the Lord yes!
I know how bad I can be without Him, yes!
I try to obey Him in all He wants for me, yes!

And whether you are worried about it or not, He holds the threat of eternal torture over you if you "sin" or fail to "love" and believe in him?

Originally posted by KellyJay
The claim I made had to do with using people as the standard of right and
wrong, when people do the bad things I listed and more. I also said that even
though some of the things brought which were good to do, they really are
only good to do if you always did them. If you fall and not do them when
you acknowledge you should, they now only show you that you cannot even
keep up the good works you acknowledge you should do.
Kelly

All humans are prone to aberration, of that there is no denying. We have emotions and feelings, we are not robots. We all do things we regret from time to time.

It strikes me as curious that you think God is some sort of 'gold standard' for morality when one only needs to have a look in the OT to find stories filled with events caused by God which would make us revile in horror at the sheer barbarity.