Who will stand with me?

Originally posted by @moonbus
Originally posted by @caissad4 :Back in the 70's some of us used the word (pronounced schtum) but spelled Xtum. For us it was when (in a group setting) someone would ask a question of the group and it was met with total silence.
I've never heard this word before. What is its etymology? Where does it come from?
Suzi:
This is maybe the most interesting pa ...[text shortened]... ronounced Schtum) which means silent, as in Stummfilme (silent movies, Rudolph Valentino, etc.).

LOL I had to google the word and saw that it was first a German word, then taken up by the Jews, and is now used by the English.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
LOL I had to google the word and saw that it was first a German word, then taken up by the Jews, and is now used by the English.

Yeah, that’s the schtick with English: it can assimilate almost anything. The French, on the other hand, insist on having French-sounding words for new things; a computer is called an “ordinateur” for example, whereas the Germans are happy to call it a computer but spell it teutonically with a “k” instead of a “c”, “Kaiser” instead of “Caesar”, etc.

Originally posted by @rajk999
The word 'confession' has several meanings, including
- praise or worship\
- acknowledgement or
- confessing to wrongdoing

Look at the Greek words for confess or confession and you will see several Greek root words with different meanings.

In Romans the ;passage about confessing with your mouth is a simple acknowledgment. It is accepting Jesus Ch ...[text shortened]... od confession of being freed of wrongoing and a confession of faith are two different things[/b]

“A confession must be part of your new life.” — Wittgenstein

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Originally posted by @moonbus
“A confession must be part of your new life.” — Wittgenstein

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The first step is admitting (to yourself) that you have a problem.

Originally posted by @js357
The first step is admitting (to yourself) that you have a problem.

Admitting there is a problem is step one on the ladder of twelve rungs for alcoholics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholics_Anonymous

If only traditional God-fixated religions would adopt a similarly non-authoritarian, non-hierarchical, non-proselytizing, non-denominational attitude, it would be a lot less off-putting.

Originally posted by @moonbus
“A confession must be part of your new life.” — Wittgenstein

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A new life in Christ ideally should eliminate the need for continuous sin followed by confession, and then over and over again. There are some religions which encourages this.

Originally posted by @rajk999
A new life in Christ ideally should eliminate the need for continuous sin followed by confession, and then over and over again. There are some religions which encourages this.

It is rather a complicated theological issue, whether accepting Christ as savior redeems only the sins committed up to that moment, or all future sins, or mankind's sinfulness by nature in a general sort of way but not any specific sins which might yet be committed (such as a murder or a theft or a lie) which might call for another confession later on. Does accepting Christ redeem gluttony, or only the five-pound steak and three quarts of beer consumed last night?

Originally posted by @moonbus
It is rather a complicated theological issue, whether accepting Christ as savior redeems only the sins committed up to that moment, or all future sins, or mankind's sinfulness by nature in a general sort of way but not any specific sins which might yet be committed (such as a murder or a theft or a lie) which might call for another confession later on. Does ...[text shortened]... rist redeem gluttony, or only the five-pound steak and three quarts of beer consumed last night?

I have to disagree. Its not a complicated theological issue at all.
Accepting Christ guarantees a clean start. Thereafter its up to Gods good graces.
There is no guarantee for anyone who continues to displease God and disobey the commandments.
If you want to discuss further Im game.
The references which state this are straightfoward

Originally posted by @rajk999
A new life in Christ ideally should eliminate the need for continuous sin followed by confession, and then over and over again. There are some religions which encourages this.

Martin Luther spent hours, daily, repenting of his sins.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Martin Luther spent hours, daily, repenting of his sins.

So...

Originally posted by @rajk999
So...

So you don’t know that God looks on the heart or understand what that means?

Originally posted by @rajk999
I have to disagree. Its not a complicated theological issue at all.
Accepting Christ guarantees a clean start. Thereafter its up to Gods good graces.
There is no guarantee for anyone who continues to displease God and disobey the commandments.
If you want to discuss further Im game.
The references which state this are straightfoward

Is this yet another shift in your doctrine?

First it was one cannot commit a single sin after accepting Christ and still retain their salvation (what you like to refer to as eternal life.)

Then it was one cannot in a lifestyle of sin.

Now it’s, who knows? Up to God how many sins you can commit after accepting Christ.

You were closest with the second position. One who is a “new creature in Christ” and has God’s Holy Spirit indwelling him or her will certainly develop an aversion to sin and will repent of any sins they commit afterwards.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I have to disagree. Its not a complicated theological issue at all.
Accepting Christ guarantees a clean start. Thereafter its up to Gods good graces.
There is no guarantee for anyone who continues to displease God and disobey the commandments.
If you want to discuss further Im game.
The references which state this are straightfoward

You may disagree if you wish, but wiser theologians than we have been debating that issue for 2,000 years.

The references are straightforward only to those who accept a certain slant on them.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I have to disagree. Its not a complicated theological issue at all.
Accepting Christ guarantees a clean start. Thereafter its up to Gods good graces.
There is no guarantee for anyone who continues to displease God and disobey the commandments.
If you want to discuss further Im game.
The references which state this are straightfoward

You still want to separate belief from behavior. I think that’s the biggest flaw in your thinking.

Originally posted by @rajk999
So...

So the point is, Martin Luther was a titan among theologians and Christians. And even he caught himself sinning to such a degree (memory of past sins notwithsanding) that he had to repent for hours, daily.

The apple of God's eye was guilty of covetousness, abuse of power, and conspiracy to commit murder. We're all sinners. You included.