Spirituality
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Originally posted by ColettiLimited resources constrain the population. If you had no deaths, you'd also have to have no births, otherwise a contradiction would ensue, for you would have an unlimited population consuming a finite pool of resources forever.
Why must all things die? What is the "natural" necessity for aging and death?
12 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe limited resources would limit the population automatically. They already do. Animals fight for survival - eat other animals, starve when there's not food, fatten up when there is. With all the other ways to die, what's the point of dieing of old age? Really, how often do animals die of old age?
Limited resources constrain the population. If you had no deaths, you'd also have to have no births, otherwise a contradiction would ensue, for you would have an unlimited population consuming a finite pool of resources forever.
Births are necessary in any case to replenish animals who die of other causes. There's no direct link between old age death and birth is there?
12 May 05
Originally posted by frogstompAside from supernatural intervention - can one live forever. Everything gets old and dies at some point. Death and taxes right?
I hate to ask this, but how do you know all things must die?
And: Is there really a necessity for aging and death?
I don't know if there's a law of aging like there is for gravity.
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Originally posted by Coletti
The limited resources would limit the population automatically. They already do. Animals fight for survival - eat other animals, starve when there's not food, fatten up when there is. With all the other ways to die, what's the point of dieing of old age? Really, how often do animals die of old age?
Births are necessary in any case to replenish animals who die of other causes. There's no direct link between old age death and birth is there?
You asked why all things must die. That was the question I was addressing. I was not addressing the question of why all things must age.
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI'm asking why must all things die even if nothing kills them outright. Even if you live right and get you excersie - you're still going to die - but why? Everything dies eventually.
Originally posted by Coletti
[b]The limited resources would limit the population automatically. They already do. Animals fight for survival - eat other animals, starve when there's not food, fatten up when there is. With ...[text shortened]... I was not addressing the question of why all things must age.[/b]
12 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou have discovered the inspiration of this thread. I'm listening the the Dark Tower on tape. Got me thinking.
It's time for me to play your game.
All things must die because Stephen King said so.
"Each man owes a death.", The Dark Tower, Book VII.
So what is the scientific explanation of the necessity of death? Is it a scientific law?
12 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiHow about the model of a parabola? Perhaps this is an archetypal model for increase/decrease time.
You have discovered the inspiration of this thread. I'm listening the the Dark Tower on tape. Got me thinking.
So what is the scientific explanation of the necessity of death? Is it a scientific law?
12 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiOn the surface, it would seem evolutionary theory would predict animals not die of old age. An animal that evolved the ability to stop death from old age - as well as the aging process in general - would be able to have more babies. This means it should be a selective advantage.
The limited resources would limit the population automatically. They already do. Animals fight for survival - eat other animals, starve when there's not food, fatten up when there is. With all the other ways to die, what's the point of dieing of old age? Really, how often do animals die of old age?
Births are necessary in any case to replenish animals who die of other causes. There's no direct link between old age death and birth is there?
We already know populations increase beyond the ability of the resources to support them. Death from old age does not stop this. It's one of the basic observations Darwin made which led him to the original TOE.
I don't know how evolutionary theory addresses this Coletti. I'll keep my eyes open for any explanations that may be out there and see if I think they are viable ones.
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou know, the ending of that series of books still has me messed up.
It's time for me to play your game.
All things must die because Stephen King said so.
"Each man owes a death.", The Dark Tower, Book VII.
TheSkipper
EDIT: My first message contained what might be considered spoilers.
12 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiGOD warned man that if he touched or ate from the Tree of The Knowledge of God and Evil, he would die. That was the beginning of death on the Earth. So all things on earth grow old and die,some slower than others.
Why must all things die? What is the "natural" necessity for aging and death?