@ghost-of-a-duke saidMan is the fourth person in the godhead; but only if he has been washed in the fountain of blood, believes in the three person trinity and has had Jesus copy/pasted into him.
'God's purpose in creating man is not merely to obtain a sinless man, but even more to have a God-man, one who has God's own life and nature.'
(Living Stream Ministry - What is Regeneration? page 8)
Is this an agreeable explanation to you, as to why God created us?
Woman is behind him, rolling her eyes.
05 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidPresumably ~ or, supposedly ~ there is a price to pay if one is not interested in being deified and becoming a God-man [if I've got that right], or if one cannot, in all honesty, claim to believe there is any such thing in the offing.
'God's purpose in creating man is not merely to obtain a sinless man, but even more to have a God-man, one who has God's own life and nature.'
(Living Stream Ministry - What is Regeneration? page 8)
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@fmf saidDeification would indeed seem to be our human destiny, and is in no way an example of humans overreaching. (Cough cough Tower of Babel).
Presumably ~ or, supposedly ~ there is a price to pay if one is not interested in being deified and becoming a God-man [if I've got that right], or if one cannot, in all honesty, claim to believe there is any such thing in the offing.
That we should be eternally punished in torment for not recognizing we are the same 'species' as God does seem rather odd.
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'God's purpose in creating man is not merely to obtain a sinless man, but even more to have a God-man, one who has God's own life and nature.'
(Living Stream Ministry - What is Regeneration? page 8)
Is this an agreeable explanation to you, as to why God created us?
Yes, this is very enlightening and explains much. Readers should take the patience to read the rest of the article.
Adam was innocent. Adam was neutral. Adam was even very good.
Yet Adam did not fulfill the meaning of his creation if he did not eat of the tree of life.
we might not discern this from reading Genesis alone. But by the end of the Bible this is apparent. God did not simply want a good, neutral, innocent man who lives everlastingly.
God wanted a man mingled with God not just a "good man" but a God-man.
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Deification would indeed seem to be our human destiny, and is in no way an example of humans overreaching. (Cough cough Tower of Babel).
That we should be eternally punished in torment for not recognizing we are the same 'species' as God does seem rather odd.
The question is HOW is deification achieved? Dependently upon the dispensed life of God or independently without God.
As it turned out the "independence" without God joined man to Satan. And the Satanified man DID rebel attempt to make such a name for himself or building a Tower to Heaven.
So deification is the reason God placed man before "the tree of life" .
Man took of the opposing source "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" and under its poisons corruption attempted to be life God.
The SOURCE of coming into this glorification and deification is crucial.
Today, this "tree of life" is Jesus Christ - "I am the way and the truth and the life" .
Read Genesis again and contemplate the SOURCE that man was to take IN to himself to achieve the eternal purpose of God.
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The OP is about why God created man / woman.
Below is a section from "The Glorious Church" by Watchman Nee intended to spur further interest in some to read more.
CHAPTER TWO
THE TYPE OF EVE
In creation two persons were created: one was Adam and the other was Eve. Both were created human beings, but each typify something different. First Corinthians 15 says that Adam was a type of the Lord Jesus, and Romans 5 says that Adam was a figure of the man who was to come. Adam, then, foreshadowed Christ; he portrayed Christ in figure. In other words, all that God purposed in Adam was to be achieved in Christ.
But besides Adam in the creation, there was also the woman, Eve. God very carefully recorded the creation of this woman in Genesis 2, and when we come to Ephesians 5 we are clearly told that Eve typifies the church. Therefore, we can see that God's eternal will is achieved partly through Christ and partly through the church. In order for us to understand how the church can achieve God's will on earth, we must learn from Eve. The purpose of this book is not to discuss the type of Adam. Therefore, we will not consider this matter here; rather, the emphasis is upon Eve. We are not focusing our thoughts upon the work of Christ, but upon the position the church occupies in relation to that work.
When we read Genesis 2:18-24 and Ephesians 5:22-32 we find that a woman is mentioned in both places. In Genesis 2 there is a woman, and in Ephesians 5 there is also a woman. The first woman is a sign typifying the church; the second woman is the first woman. The first woman was planned by God before the foundation of the world and appeared before the fall. The second woman was also planned before the foundation of the world, but was revealed after the fall. Although one appeared before the fall and the other after, there is no difference in God's sight: the church is the Eve of Genesis 2. God created Adam to typify Christ; God also created Eve to typify the church. God's purpose is not only accomplished by Christ but is also accomplished by the church. In Genesis 2:18, the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him." God's purpose in creating the church is that she may be the help meet of Christ. Christ alone is only half; there must be another half, which is the church. God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone." This means that in God's sight Christ alone is not good enough. Genesis 2:18-24 reiterates the events of the sixth day of creation. On the sixth day God created Adam, but afterward it seems that He considered a little and said, "No, it is not good that the man should be alone." Therefore, He created Eve for Adam. By then, everything was completed, and we find that Genesis 1 ends with this record: "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good" (v. 31). From this we realize that having Adam alone, or we may say, having Christ alone, is not enough to satisfy God's heart. With God there must also be Eve, that is, there must also be the church. Then His heart will be satisfied.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?cid=25
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@sonship saidThanks for the copy paste from one of your venerated leaders.
The OP is about why God created man / woman.
Below is a section from "The Glorious Church" by Watchman Nee intended to spur further interest in some to read more.
CHAPTER TWO
THE TYPE OF EVE
In creation two persons were created: one was Adam and the other was Eve. Both were created human beings, but each typify something different. First C ...[text shortened]... church. Then His heart will be satisfied.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?cid=25
05 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo.
'God's purpose in creating man is not merely to obtain a sinless man, but even more to have a God-man, one who has God's own life and nature.'
(Living Stream Ministry - What is Regeneration? page 8)
Is this an agreeable explanation to you, as to why God created us?
Not to diminish from what God's purpose for creating man is, but there is one foremost reason why God created everything.
And that is:
God created man(and all the universe) for His pleasure.
And subsequently man(and all creation) finds his meaning and purpose in God.
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@secondson saidFor His pleasure, or His glory?
No.
Not to diminish from what God's purpose for creating man is, but there is one foremost reason why God created everything.
And that is:
God created man(and all the universe) for His pleasure.
And subsequently man(and all creation) finds his meaning and purpose in God.
How about:
Many people today, whether they know it or not, technically qualify as adherents to a worldview known as Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (MTD). MTD is the view that God created humanity with the main goal of providing for humans and making them happy. MTD can be summarized with five statements:
1. A God exists who created and orders the world and watches over human life on earth.
2. God wants people to be good, nice, and fair to each other, as taught in the Bible and by most world religions.
3. The central goal of life is to be happy and to feel good about oneself.
4. God does not need to be particularly involved in one’s life except when God is needed to resolve a problem.
5. Good people go to heaven when they die.
https://ses.edu/why-did-god-create-anything/
06 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidFor His pleasure. First and foremost.
For His pleasure, or His glory?
How about:
Many people today, whether they know it or not, technically qualify as adherents to a worldview known as Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (MTD). MTD is the view that God created humanity with the main goal of providing for humans and making them happy. MTD can be summarized with five statements:
1. A God exists who creat ...[text shortened]... problem.
5. Good people go to heaven when they die.
https://ses.edu/why-did-god-create-anything/
Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
MTD is a man made construct without scriptural precedent. It is superficial and indistinct. Superfluous in generalization. Assumptive in content.
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Thanks for the copy paste from one of your venerated leaders.
Now explain to everyone if "copy paste from one of your venerated leaders" automatically makes what is copy and pasted not true or not worthy of serious consideration.
Explain if there is an ipso facto necessary link between "copy paste from one of your venerated leaders" and untruth.
Explain how "copy and paste" immediately diminishes the validity of something explained.
06 Jan 20
@sonship saidYou sometimes seem to just spam threads with copy-pasted material. Remarking upon it relates to your behaviour rather than the validity of anything.
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Thanks for the copy paste from one of your venerated leaders.
Now explain to everyone if "copy paste from one of your venerated leaders" automatically makes what is copy and pasted not true or not worthy of serious consideration.
Explain if there is an ipso facto necessary link between [i]"copy paste from one of ...[text shortened]...
Explain how "copy and paste" immediately diminishes the validity of something explained.
The side of you that wants to copy-paste reams of text you didn't write should perhaps run a blog, leaving the side of you that is interested in original and personal conversations to engage people here on this message board.
divegeester's comment is about your behaviour and not the validity of whatever somebody-else's-text it is you happen to have dumped into the conversation.
Just my ha'penny's worth.
