Why didn't Jesus condemn slavery?

Originally posted by googlefudge
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

[b]"Why did God free the Hebrews from slavery under the Egyptians if He approved of
slavery?"

Because the Hebrews were his own 'Chosen' people.

Not wanting your own tribe or 'chosen people' to be slaves is not the same as not approving of
slavery.

The Hebrews were not only allowed but encoura ...[text shortened]... ake and keep slaves.

of course you would know this if you had actually read your bible.[/b]

I have read the Holy Bible. It is you that has not read it, nor do you have
any understanding of God's purpose. Anyone that works for someone for
wages or to pay off a debt is a slave to that person. I was a slave to the
U.S. Army for twenty years. Then I later became a slave to the U.S. Postal
Service for longer than that. All slavery does not have to be an evil thing.
So get your head out of your arse.

P.S. God wants to chance the heart of man, away from selfishness and
toward love. Being a dictator has proven not to work. Get it?

Originally posted by googlefudge
False dichotomy.

You can say that a practice is bad and shouldn't be practised or condoned without calling for a
revolt against a vastly superior and brutal opponent.

They could have said that the Romans keeping slaves is wrong and we wont have any part in it
and wont keep slaves ourselves without advocating trying to forcefully stop the Romans f god wanted to stop slavery do you think he would have any trouble doing so against any army?

Do you think they could have spoken out against the state? For what purpose? Would he speak out against the emporer in the hopes that he would change his mind or perhaps help sway voters in the general election (Blah!!).......that is if they lived after they spoke out against the emporer.

From my vantage point, Christ came to change hearts and minds so that real change could occur no matter what evil continues to lurk in the hearts of those who rule the masses.

Originally posted by whodey

From my vantage point, Christ came to change hearts and minds so that real change could occur no matter what evil continues to lurk in the hearts of those who rule the masses.[/b]

so would you describe jesus as being successful or a failure in regards to the changing of hearts and minds when it comes to the issue of slavery?

Originally posted by SwissGambit
.. owning another human being is morally wrong, no matter how well you treat them. ..

About 30,000 people die of hunger every day and about 900,000,000 are undernourished. I dont know where you live [maybe you live in a rich country and have the luxury of morals like that] but I can assure you that many of these people would tell you to take your morals and shove it. They would happily become a slave to someone with the means, if he gave them some work and some food not just today or tomorrow, but for the rest of their lives.

Benevolent slavery is better than death and starvation.

Originally posted by Rajk999
About 30,000 people die of hunger every day and about 900,000,000 are undernourished. I dont know where you live [maybe you live in a rich country and have the luxury of morals like that] but I can assure you that many of these people would tell you to take your morals and shove it. They would happily become a slave to someone with the means, if he gave the ...[text shortened]... row, but for the rest of their lives.

Benevolent slavery is better than death and starvation.

Says someone who has a nice job, home and kids.....

Originally posted by Rajk999
About 30,000 people die of hunger every day and about 900,000,000 are undernourished. I dont know where you live [maybe you live in a rich country and have the luxury of morals like that] but I can assure you that many of these people would tell you to take your morals and shove it. They would happily become a slave to someone with the means, if he gave the ...[text shortened]... row, but for the rest of their lives.

Benevolent slavery is better than death and starvation.

Which of course would be why people violently rebel against others trying to impose their will on them....

Originally posted by Rajk999
About 30,000 people die of hunger every day and about 900,000,000 are undernourished. I dont know where you live [maybe you live in a rich country and have the luxury of morals like that] but I can assure you that many of these people would tell you to take your morals and shove it. They would happily become a slave to someone with the means, if he gave the ...[text shortened]... row, but for the rest of their lives.

Benevolent slavery is better than death and starvation.

that might be the case for the person becoming the slave to save themselves from starvation. it doesnt make it morally correct for the person using them as a slave. many slaves stayed and worked for their 'masters' after the laws were changed in america, because they had no other option, doesnt make the slave owner morally okay to accept their services.

Originally posted by RJHinds


P.S. God wants to chance the heart of man, away from selfishness and
toward love. Being a dictator has proven not to work. Get it?[/b]

so, what has been proven to work?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have read the Holy Bible. It is you that has not read it, nor do you have
any understanding of God's purpose. Anyone that works for someone for
wages or to pay off a debt is a slave to that person. I was a slave to the
U.S. Army for twenty years. Then I later became a slave to the U.S. Postal
Service for longer than that. All slavery does not hav ...[text shortened]... man, away from selfishness and
toward love. Being a dictator has proven not to work. Get it?

Slave [noun]
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.

Contrary to popular opinion, legal experts hold that a soldier is NOT government property.
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104348/can-troops-be-punished-for-damaging-government-property-if-they-get-a-sunburn-1.109131

You can quit the US postal service at any time.

Neither of your examples qualifies as slavery.

Originally posted by whodey
Do you think they could have spoken out against the state? For what purpose? Would he speak out against the emporer in the hopes that he would change his mind or perhaps help sway voters in the general election (Blah!!).......that is if they lived after they spoke out against the emporer.

From my vantage point, Christ came to change hearts and minds so t ...[text shortened]... ge could occur no matter what evil continues to lurk in the hearts of those who rule the masses.

So here it is some 2000 years later and you can see how well THAT worked out.

Originally posted by Rajk999
About 30,000 people die of hunger every day and about 900,000,000 are undernourished. I dont know where you live [maybe you live in a rich country and have the luxury of morals like that] but I can assure you that many of these people would tell you to take your morals and shove it. They would happily become a slave to someone with the means, if he gave the ...[text shortened]... row, but for the rest of their lives.

Benevolent slavery is better than death and starvation.

Red herring. My statement was focused entirely on the moral choice of the OWNER, not the slaves.

Of course there are some people who are worse off than certain slaves. Duh! But your assertion that the need for food and work justifies slavery is BS. Why don't they just become a permanent employee of their benefactor? They work for him; he gives them room and board, or pay, whatever. He doesn't need to OWN them.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Or Moses or Mohammad? Seems to me that directly led to 1900 years of slavery justified by the bible. GREAT religions you have there.

Before I go though the other posts on this thread, which I will, methinks that Jesus did condem slavery and it was omitted from the bible.

There are just so many bipolar views like that in the bible that the only conclusion(s) one can draw is that either some parts of it were removed, altered, added onto, or a combination of those 3, or possibly other very sly tactics.

No doubt the likes of RJHinds would say something like " if there were doctored/omitted parts in the bible then it was Satans doing, which helps no one, and does not address the issue properly.
IMO the churches (and/or the "powers that be" ) saw that the coming of Jesus was something they could "harness" in order to control the masses.

The bible is not gods word , it's mans

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Before I go though the other posts on this thread, which I will, methinks that Jesus did condem slavery and it was omitted from the bible.

There are just so many bipolar views like that in the bible that the only conclusion(s) one can draw is that either some parts of it were removed, altered, added onto, or a combination of those 3, or possibly o ...[text shortened]... could "harness" in order to control the masses.

The bible is not gods word , it's mans

You are assuming that JC existed at all and that any of the words alleged to have been
uttered by him ever actually were.

I see no basis for assuming that.


As you say all the evidence points to the bible being written by men and not a deity in which
case it is more than possible that the central character was invented and never really existed.

Now while I can't prove that that was the case it is the most likely and it is telling that of all the
possible 'messiahs' expected by the Hebrews the one that allegedly (and the continued
existence of Jews and Muslims demonstrates that it was and is a controversial claim) turned up is
the ONLY one that could have been invented.
All the ones that were supposed to be warrior kings who literally defeat the Romans and free the
Jews and raise the dead couldn't have been invented because everyone would immediately know that
it wasn't true.
But saving peoples 'souls', something that can't be detected at all, that can be invented without worry
about all the troubling lack of evidence.

Given that there is no more evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ than there is for the existence of
Harry Potter (actually Potter probably has more) it seems presumptuous to assume that he existed.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
you should be in politics, you even manage to put a positive spin on slavery.

you should also hang your head in shame.

Heck mate, if these JW's gain any semblance of the majority of power-not that they vote- but if they had the majority of say Australians identifying themselves JW's, then you'd prolly see blood transfusions banned, holidays abolished , and a whole host of other 'power politics'/changes that would dominate Australia. In this hypothetical situation, I think the JW's would show their true colors and let the power go to their heads (like other politicians). edit:that last sentence I wrote there was poor, since it has not much bearing on the thread , but because I think it's funny, I'll leave it there)
At the moment they claim they are in the minority and often like to play the victim card as a defense of why their religion is so bogus and flawed.
Tell me, Robbie , or Galv, in your opinions, who would become the Prime minister of Australia ?

Do you think you could you could SERIOUSLY ,(please), give me a few posts on this hypothetical situation?
So,(finally coming back around the the thrust of the OP), would your JW prime minister make hardened criminals like slaves, as opposed to the penal system which in place at present? (mind you I dont like either of them on paper)

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so would you describe jesus as being successful or a failure in regards to the changing of hearts and minds when it comes to the issue of slavery?

If I may, let me answer a question with a question.

Who has done a better job at combating slavery. Was it Christ or Spartacus? Clearly the Christian influence has improved society as where all Spartacus did was die on a cross.