Originally posted by twhiteheadThere are only a couple possible things that happened between DDT
You say that your skepticism is based on reason, but you cannot provide that reasoning to us. Why is that? Reasoning, if reasonable, should be communicable. All you ever come up with is skepticism, not once have you actually presented your reasoning. You say I cannot put evolution down on a flow chart and make it work, but you do not present any reasoning ...[text shortened]... mation to make that call you still remain skeptical. That is not skepticism based on reason.
and the mosquitoes.
1. DDT was exposed for the first time to them and some of them
already had the ability to live through it, later passing that ability
down through the next generations.
2. DDT was exposed to the mosquitoes and the mosquitoes all died
and nothing was passed down because there was no defense.
3. You fill in the blank here. You want me to accept that DDT was
exposed to the mosquitoes and they didn't die, but didn't have any
way to fight it off until 12K generations later or some other number
and evolution then gave them the ability to fight it off. How does that
work again?
4. Life already has coded within it some biological program to teach
itself how to fight off various and sundry attacks against it, even if
something new occurs.
If you have other possible ways that come to mind please present
them. You realize it is a specific poison we talking about, and a
process that has no goal, no plan, no purpose and I'm to believe
without even trying to evolution will create the ability to fight
off DDT.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayLet me explain it to you one last time. If you once again deliberately miss the argument and instead present a strawman (as you have above) then I will have demonstrated that you are not infact skeptical but rather desire not to know for reasons other than what you claim.
There are only a couple possible things that happened between DDT
and the mosquitoes.
1. DDT was exposed for the first time to them and some of them
already had the ability to live through it, later passing that ability
down through the next generations.
2. DDT was exposed to the mosquitoes and the mosquitoes all died
and nothing was passed down becau ...[text shortened]... ething new occurs.
If you have other possible ways that come to mind please present
them.
Here is my possible hypothesis to fit in your no 3.
Genes which provide resistance to DDT arise in mosquitoes on a regular basis. When mosquitoes were exposed to DDT over a long period there were at least two cases in which genes arose and because of natural selection then became very common in the populations.
Note that I am saying that the genes initially arose before the spraying events and not in response to the spraying events, so you can drop your strawman of 'evolution saw DDT and responded by creating the genes'
Your 4. also covers the hypothesis as the 'something' you mention is evolution.
You realize it is a specific poison we talking about, and a
process that has no goal, no plan, no purpose and I'm to believe
without even trying to evolution will create the ability to fight
off DDT.
Kelly
Would you at least concede that you do not in fact know whether or not genes providing resistance to DDT (and possibly any pesticide ever invented by man or plants), do arise in mosquitoes on a fairly regular basis (with no plan and no purpose) nor do you have the knowledge to know whether that is likely or unlikely to be the case.
Originally posted by KellyJay….You realize it is a specific poison we talking about, and a
There are only a couple possible things that happened between DDT
and the mosquitoes.
1. DDT was exposed for the first time to them and some of them
already had the ability to live through it, later passing that ability
down through the next generations.
2. DDT was exposed to the mosquitoes and the mosquitoes all died
and nothing was passed down becau o believe
without even trying to evolution will create the ability to fight
off DDT.
Kelly
process that has no goal, no plan, no purpose and I'm to believe without even trying to evolution will create the ability to fight off DDT.
..…
KellyJay conceded that evolution occurs in an earlier post but now, yet again, he has shifted his position by denying that evolution occurs (as above) -does he even notice this? -or is he just playing dumb?
….You realize it is a specific poison we talking about, and a
process that has no goal, no plan, no purpose and
..…
Does a random mutation that gives DDT resistance occur with a plan? 😛 a purpose? 😛 a gaol? 😛
…I'm to believe without even TRYING to evolution will create the ability to fight
off DDT.
..… (my emphasis)
Does natural selection that then selects that DDT resistance mutation select it because it is “TRYING” to? 😛
Mutation X occurs + natural selection then selecting that mutation X = evolution
-that’s all what evolution is.