why do we die?

What silence, I have just posted above.

That silence.

Originally posted by @sonship

[b] "All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out.
...
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up in the last day." (John 6:37-39)

If He loses them then they do not have eternal life.
It says He ...[text shortened]... es that the gift of eternal life is that, and not a loan given on some temporary basis.[/b]

There’s nothing about “choosing” Christ in this waffle.

Are you losing it?

Originally posted by @sonship

That silence.

What are you on about?

Originally posted by @divegeester
What are you on about?

It is not what I am on about. It is what you are not on about.

1.) Of the number that come to Christ, how many will He lose ?

2.) Is the Spirit of divine life, the Another Comforter given temporarily or forever?

3.) Is it the gift of eternal life or the LOAN of eternal life?

Originally posted by @sonship
It is not what I am on about. It is what you are not on about.

[b]1.) Of the number that come to Christ, how many will He lose ?

2.) Is the Spirit of divine life, the Another Comforter given temporarily or forever?

3.) Is it the gift of eternal life or the LOAN of eternal life?[/b]

Right about now Divegeester may write something about my vanity.

Amidst those distractions see if he answers the simple three questions.

Originally posted by @sonship
You must write that way because you don't know Christ yourself.

The most basic obedience of Christ you have failed to fulfill - that is to COME TO HIM.

For your lack of assurance and peace you substitute volumes of legalism which you typically are a hypocrite obey yourself.

Jesus KNOWS those who follow his commandments.
Jesus and God makes his abode with those who follow his commandments.

If you COME TO HIM, without following his commandments,
then Jesus DOES NO KNOW YOU.

Assurance is the for sheep of Christ who follow Christ
Your doctrine proves that you are not one of them

Originally posted by @rajk999

Jesus KNOWS those who follow his commandments.
Jesus and God makes his abode with those who follow his commandments.

So what?
The observation changes nothing.

If you COME TO HIM, without following his commandments,
then Jesus DOES NO KNOW YOU.

So what?
That observation changes nothing.

Does it change that the Spirit is given to the Christian forever?
No.

Does it change that all whom the Father gives to Him He will lose nothing?
No.

Does it change that the gift of eternal life is that and not a LOAN?
No.

Originally posted by @sonship
So what?
The observation changes nothing.

In the end eternal life in the Kingdom of God is given to the righteous who follow the commandments of Christ.

You make the false assumption that all who profess their faith or have Gods Spirit etc etc, get eternal life.

Originally posted by @sonship
It is not what I am on about. It is what you are not on about.

[b]1.) Of the number that come to Christ, how many will He lose ?

2.) Is the Spirit of divine life, the Another Comforter given temporarily or forever?

3.) Is it the gift of eternal life or the LOAN of eternal life?[/b]

Here’s the exchange:

Originally posted by @sonship
“But once you choose Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior to be yours - you have the gift of eternal life. ”

Comment by me
This is absolutely not scriptural. You do talk such error at times, in fact most of the time.

Post a scripture that specifically supports your claim about choosing which I’ve quoted above, and which i claim is not scriptural. It’s quite simple sonship.

Originally posted by @sonship
Right about now Divegeester may write something about my vanity.

Amidst those distractions see if he answers the simple three questions.

I’ve posted my complaint about your scriptural error three times now and you keep ignoring the content and waffling on about what you want to talk about instead.

Stop being a prick.

Originally posted by @rajk999
In the end eternal life in the Kingdom of God is given to the righteous who follow the commandments of Christ.

You make the false assumption that all who profess their faith or have Gods Spirit etc etc, get eternal life.

You are not even a announcer of the Gospel of Christ.
You are a preacher of "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4) .

It doesn't matter how much you emphasize obeying commandments because you to do preach the Christ of the New Testament.

You come repeating about commandments of "another Jesus" and not the Word Who is God become flesh.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I’ve posted my complaint about your scriptural error three times now and you keep ignoring the content and waffling on about what you want to talk about instead.

Stop being a prick.

" Prick" "waffle" ... whatever
You can throw out any choice derogatory words you want.

I have proved that once a man receives Christ into his spirit Christ is with him for eternity. He will LOSE NOTHING of those who come to Him, whom the Father gave to Him.

It is totally not a matter of me trying to annoy you.
When I see some effective rebuttal worth addressing from you countering this point, I will address it.

I don't see it yet.
I'm tired of going back over this thread to see it it is there.

Where ?

Originally posted by @sonship
" Prick" "waffle" ... whatever
You can throw out any choice derogatory words you want.

I have proved that once a man receives Christ into his spirit Christ is with him for eternity. He will LOSE NOTHING of those who come to Him, whom the Father gave to Him.

It is totally not a matter of me trying to annoy you.
When I see some effective rebut ...[text shortened]... don't see it yet.
I'm tired of going back over this thread to see it it is there.

Where ?

Here’s the exchange:

Originally posted by @sonship
“But once you choose Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior to be yours - you have the gift of eternal life.”

Comment by me
This is absolutely not scriptural. You do talk such error at times, in fact most of the time.

Post a scripture that specifically supports your claim about choosing which I’ve quoted above, and which I claim is not scriptural.

It’s quite simple sonship.

Originally posted by @divegeester

sonship:

“But once you choose Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior to be yours - you have the gift of eternal life. ”

Divegeester:

Comment by me
This is absolutely not scriptural. You do talk such error at times, in fact most of the time.

Post a scripture that specifically supports your claim about choosing which I’ve quoted above, and which i claim is not scriptural. It’s quite simple sonship.

"And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that HE MAY BE WITH YOU FOREVER,

Even the Spirit of reality ..." (John 14:16,17a)

Has divegeester submitted any evidence that the Holy Spirit, the "another Comforter" is given to SOME disciples TEMPORARILY?

I saw no evidence.

Maybe he has some concept that eternal life is not in "the another Comforter" Who is "the Spirit of reality".

Now because he can't argue I have to go figure out what his argument COULD be if he has one.

Well the Spirit of reality is called also the Spirit of [zoe] life. That is the Spirit of divine life.

"For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death." (Roman 8:2)

1.) How long is the Spirit given to the Christian?

"Forever".

2.) Then how long is the Spirit of life , that is the divine life of God, given to the Christians?

"Forever" .

3.) So then once the believer receives Jesus Christ in His form as "the Spirit of Christ" and "another Comforter" Who is the Spirit of [divine zoe] life how long will He remain with that one?

Forever.

Where is Divegeester's counter argument ???

“But once you choose Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior to be yours - you have the gift of eternal life. ”

Prove me wrong Divegeestger.

Originally posted by @sonship
You are not even a announcer of the Gospel of Christ.
You are a preacher of [b]"another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4) .

It doesn't matter how much you emphasize obeying commandments because you to do preach the Christ of the New Testament.

You come repeating about commandments of "another Jesus" and not the Word Who is God become flesh.[/b]

More nonsense.