03 Dec 06
Originally posted by Squelchbelchso do you really believe God can sort out the bad and the good of the billions of people and save all the good people? think of how much time that would be, he would either have to punish everyone or let it go on. nobody likes to be punished for something they didnt do so i like the way he's doing it.
Well I'd stop it if I could.
However, regardless of my debating skills (& knowing most Morra gambit lines up to move 9 or 10) I am not omnipitant.
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomDo you believe that God has limits to what He can & can't do?
so do you really believe God can sort out the bad and the good of the billions of people and save all the good people? think of how much time that would be, he would either have to punish everyone or let it go on. nobody likes to be punished for something they didnt do so i like the way he's doing it.
Have a little think before posting a reply.
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03 Dec 06
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomWhat a load of crap. It's your bunch continually telling us that God exists outside of time. Otherwise, the theists explanations of the big bang and everything else are seriously contradictory. Do you think that God has a limited "speed" with which he can work? Is he constrained by the speed of light? Or can he work infinitely fast, thus your "problem" is resolved?
so do you really believe God can sort out the bad and the good of the billions of people and save all the good people? think of how much time that would be, he would either have to punish everyone or let it go on. nobody likes to be punished for something they didnt do so i like the way he's doing it.
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomWhy are you concerned about time at all? Surely an omnipotent God could do the work infinitely fast. He wouldn't even be constrained by time, since, apparently (according to most theists on this site), time doesn't exist for God - it is merely a property of the universe, of which God is not.
so what do you think? god stops time while he does his work?
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03 Dec 06
Originally posted by SquelchbelchWhy do you equate evil with sin and suffering? All three are different concepts.
Is it because He is:
a) Only omnipitent on weekdays & cannot stop evil
or maybe
b) Is all powerful but allows suffering & is therefore not benevolent?
Also, presumably God created evil. If so, why should we suffer for His sins?
Your question about suffering was addressed in the Beauty thread. What I and Knighmeister both explained was the idea (of kenosis, and Tzimtzum) that God steps back from creation and contracts His infinitude in order to allow creation to exist independent of Him. The reason behind this, is that if God manifested His entire existence in creation, and exercised his omnipotence totally, creation would be swallowed up by His presence. The consequence is that evil is created. But this is does not imply an active creation by God, but a passive one that indirectly follows from His contraction.
These are not necassarily my own opinions, but they are very popular defenses.
03 Dec 06
Originally posted by Conrau KAnd again, fallacious, due to his omnipresent nature. Of course, I could also argue its fallaciousness with respect to God's supposed omnibenevolence (i.e. how can an omnibenevolent, omnipotent creator just sit there and watch evil things happen).
Why do you equate evil with sin and suffering? All three are different concepts.
Your question about suffering was addressed in the Beauty thread. What I and Knighmeister both explained was the idea (of kenosis, and Tzimtzum) that God steps back from creation and contracts His infinitude in order to allow creation to exist independent of Him. The reason ...[text shortened]... contraction.
These are not necassarily my own opinions, but they are very popular defenses.