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If there is indeed an eternal punishment - a simple (maybe not so) question. Divegeester can take the first crack since this is his often brought up matter.
WHY should you not be punished forever if there is such a reality?
If there is an eternal punishment I should not have to suffer it because __________________________?
Divegeester, you have the honored FIRST crack at your reply.
Then your support team of sympathetic atheists can follow.
I too will respond when I see some interest is here.
If there is none, that's ok too.
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This is a non-snarky good faith attempt for me to hear reasons why anyone honestly feels they should not be so eternally condemned in any eternal punishment.
I mean, I intend to give you a fair hearing.
Let's see if we can keep the wisecracks out of this thread.
You have the floor.
You have my serious attention.
15 Apr 22
@sonship saidIf your genocidal torturer and failure version of god wants to burn me and billions upon billions of the people he loved so much that he came and died for them… then there’s a nothing anyone can do about it.
If there is indeed an eternal punishment - a simple (maybe not so) question. Divegeester can take the first crack since this is his often brought up matter.
WHY should you not be punished forever if there is such a reality?
If there is an eternal punishment I should not have to suffer it because __________________________?
Divegeester, y ...[text shortened]...
I too will respond when I see some interest is here.
If there is none, that's ok too.
Furthermore, as one would be dealing with a cosmic psychotic despot with supreme power over everything everywhere and yet has still decided to create this eternal torture chamber, then I wouldn’t trust him in the slightest and would do whatever I could to appease its wrath and vengeance and hate.
Finally I wouldn’t deserve to be eternally kept alive in a flesh melting lake of brimstone and burning sulphur, the likes of which have only be imagined in the darkest depths of mankind’s medieval imagination, because the punishment would not in any conceivable way fit whatever “thought crimes” I have committed in my three score years and ten.
@sonship saidBecause it doesn't exit. The concept of eternal suffering was developed by the Catholic church as a control mechanism. We can sense check the truth of the inability to be tortured forever when dead from the book of Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing (New King James Version)
If there is actually a situation of eternal damnation from God, if such turns out to be true, I SHOULD NOT BE LIABLE to it BECAUSE ______________________________?
Anyone?
15 Apr 22
In order to believe that Jesus himself will be personally overseeing billions upon billions of non Christians being supernaturally and eternally kept kept alive while he watches them screen in eternal agony, I think a person has to be mentally disabled in some way.
I honestly believe that a person believing that this is justifiable and righteous must be mentally ill.
15 Apr 22
@divegeester saidExactly!
If your genocidal torturer and failure version of god wants to burn me and billions upon billions of the people he loved so much that he came and died for them… then there’s a nothing anyone can do about it.
We are told that God is a God of Love, so this eternal torture simply does not fit.
If somebody displeased that much get put to death? Yes. Suffer forever? Where is the justice (or even point) of that.
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Because it doesn't exit. The concept of eternal suffering was developed by the Catholic church as a control mechanism. We can sense check the truth of the inability to be tortured forever when dead from the book of Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing (New King James Version)
Medullah, the question inluded the hypothetical of IF IT DID EXIST.
Look, face the fact. EXPERIENCIALLY neither of us KNOW by experience that it is true or not true. We don't KNOW for sure. I think you have to agree.
So my question is that if eternal condemnation TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE, now, YOUR reason for being totally exempt from such would be _______________________?
Can you give me an answer besides "Because it doesn't exist !!" ?
Suppose you are wrong?
Suppose on some details you are right but not so on ALL details?
Let's say there are no pitchforks or torturing demons assisting your discomfort.
Let's say Dante's description is totally unrepresentative.
You should be exempt from such a fate BECAUSE ___________________________?
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If your genocidal torturer and failure version of god wants to burn me and billions upon billions of the people he loved so much that he came and died for them… then there’s a nothing anyone can do about it.
That does not really answer the question I have.
You have expressed successfuly your hatred, disdain, revulsion for any such
concept.
But my question is not about whether anyone can do anything about it or not.
My question is, if there is an eternal punishment YOU should be exempt because
of what reason?
Instead of telling me how much you hate the concept and no one could do anything about it, explain WHY you should be exempt.
Give it to me on the chin in that form that I ASKED if you must.
YOU should be exempt from any eternal punishment BECAUSE _______________?
Furthermore, as one would be dealing with a cosmic psychotic despot with supreme power
Again, I do not ask about the character of such a Judge.
I ask you WHY you should be exempt from any eternal punishment.
Can you try to address that question?
over everything everywhere and yet has still decided to create this eternal torture chamber, then I wouldn’t trust him in the slightest and would do whatever I could to appease its wrath and vengeance and hate.
I am having a hard time getting at your REASON why you should be exempt.
If you think you have answered WHY, where exactly is your reason WHY you should be exempt from any eternal punishment?
You're saying "It horrible"
You're saying "No one could stop it"
You're saying billions and billions are too many.
You're saying "I would do this or that to avoid such a monster."
But I want to hear you explain WHY you should be totally absolved from any punishment forever from God.
What would be your reason that you should be completely free from that?
"Because you are sick" is not a good answer to THAT question.
"I shouldn't ever be punished by God for eternity BECAUSE __________?"
Finally I wouldn’t deserve to be eternally kept alive in a flesh melting lake of brimstone and burning sulphur, the likes of which have only be imagined in the darkest depths of mankind’s medieval imagination, because the punishment would not in any conceivable way fit whatever “thought crimes” I have committed in my three score years and ten.
Is your answer "BECAUSE I DON'T DESERVE THAT?"
Is that your answer?
15 Apr 22
@sonship saidWell that was part of my answer and I didn’t right it in BLOCK CAPITALS like you have, to try dishonesty add emphasis which wasn’t there.
@divegeester
Is your answer "BECAUSE I DON'T DESERVE THAT?"
Oh I forgot to say that I’m a “Christian” and therefore exempt from any genocidal tendencies your version of god might exhibit.
So that’s my reason.
You’re welcome and thanks for starting another thread on my favourite topic of “your genocidal psychotic monster failure god”.
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Well that was part of my answer and I didn’t right it in BLOCK CAPITALS like you have, to try dishonesty add emphasis which wasn’t there.
That is a comment about style.
What I am looking for at the moment is your clear answer to why you should not
possibly be subject to any situation of punishment from God forever.
Oh I forgot to say that I’m a “Christian” and therefore exempt from any genocidal tendencies your version of god might exhibit.
Divegeester, you are not answering honestly the question asked.
I know your disdain.
I know you disgust.
I want you to explain why you should be exempt from any eternal punishmnet.
So now you say you forgot to say "I am a Christian".
Okay, as a Christian then, you should be exempt from any eternal punishment BECAUSE ________ ?
So that’s my reason.
If that is your reason then WHY is your being a Christian make you exempt?
DOn't come back with how much you are disgusted with Christians.
Tell us WHY being one yourself makes you exempt from any eternal punishment should it turn out to be the case such does exist.
You’re welcome and thanks for starting another thread on my favourite topic of “your genocidal psychotic monster failure god”.
🙂
I said I would try to have a good faith non-snarky discussion.
Let me retrack the "favorite subject" comment as inapproriate.
Now I want to hear why if there turns out to be a reality to eternal punishment, YOU should not have to be a candidate for such.
You said "I fogot to say I am a Christian" basically.
Why then does that make you exempt if such a reality of the lake of fire turns out to really exist?
15 Apr 22
@sonship saidNo it isn’t, you have again misrepresented me sonship. I didn’t put anything in block capitals.
@divegeesterWell that was part of my answer and I didn’t right it in BLOCK CAPITALS like you have, to try dishonesty add emphasis which wasn’t there.
That is a comment about style.