Why is Christianity in the US dying

@moonbus said
Which explains one of the reasons Christianity is dying in post-industrial countries : many of those who are most vociferous about propagating it cannot make a coherent case for it to a sensible, rational person living in a well-managed technological society full of rights and privileges and comforts. It appeals at a visceral level, or not at all. Christianity may still be ma ...[text shortened]... nny, high infant mortality, illiteracy, and infectious disease (e.g., sub-saharan Africa, Kentucky).

Hardly even people of good report may disagree on all manner of issues. The thing that matters is what the truth is!

@kellyjay said
Hardly even people of good report may disagree on all manner of issues. The thing that matters is what the truth is!

You not understanding because you not listening and you keep blabbering the same BS over and over.

Christianity is a failure.
The reason is that they have departed from the teachings of Christ.
Therefore God has abandoned Christians
They are wallowing in false doctrines

God is with all who keep the commandments.
Christians ridicule the commandments and promote mouth worship
Smart people can see through your BS doctrine

@kellyjay said
Hardly even people of good report may disagree on all manner of issues. The thing that matters is what the truth is!

The thing that matters is what the truth is!

a) You apparently think you have a monopoly on it.

b) Truth is merely the map, a particular formulation of words, a cognitive construct, and you're stuck on the map; one who knows his way about the territory does not need it.

@moonbus said
The thing that matters is what the truth is!

a) You apparently think you have a monopoly on it.

b) Truth is merely the map, a particular formulation of words, a cognitive construct, and you're stuck on the map; one who knows his way about the territory does not need it.

I'm a sinner who needs a Savior no different than anyone else. I'm proclaiming only God has a monopoly on the Truth mainly because He is the Truth. Truth is reality, as it is not how we define it! When we draw our little maps defining this and that as we see fit, we arrange the world as we see it, as we want it to be, something changes, we redraw our maps. Maps are but pictures of the real thing; the best maps reflect the real thing as is, not what we imagine them to be.

@kellyjay said
I'm a sinner who needs a Savior no different than anyone else. I'm proclaiming only God has a monopoly on the Truth mainly because He is the Truth. Truth is reality, as it is not how we define it! When we draw our little maps defining this and that as we see fit, we arrange the world as we see it, as we want it to be, something changes, we redraw our maps. Maps are but pictures of the real thing; the best maps reflect the real thing as is, not what we imagine them to be.

Again you are not understanding. The bible is just a map that tells you were to go, which direction to take, to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. The most critical direction to salvation is from Jesus Christ. Christians have ignored these directions. Strangely you will hear of many others [not Christains] speaking of how they read of Jesus's directions and they believe and are following them. Those who follow Christ get eternal life. Those who read the map and do nothing are condemned.

@rajk999 said
Again you are not understanding. The bible is just a map that tells you were to go, which direction to take, to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. The most critical direction to salvation is from Jesus Christ. Christians have ignored these directions. Strangely you will hear of many others [not Christains] speaking of how they read of Jesus's directions and they believe ...[text shortened]... hem. Those who follow Christ get eternal life. Those who read the map and do nothing are condemned.

Tell me your map do you have to earn your way into the Kingdom of God, is it by works of righteousness or the grace of God through faith?

@kellyjay said
Tell me your map do you have to earn your way into the Kingdom of God, is it by works of righteousness or the grace of God through faith?

Here comes the oft-repeated, always-misunderstood Parable of the Sheep and Goats

@kellyjay said
Tell me your map do you have to earn your way into the Kingdom of God, is it by works of righteousness or the grace of God through faith?

My map was written by Jesus Christ who said none of the nonsense you wrote there.

@rajk999 said
My map was written by Jesus Christ who said none of the nonsense you wrote there.

If the Jesus Christ in the Bible actually wrote it, I'd agree, but He didn't write anything we can read, so you are making that up. I have seen your doctrine where you have ignored words spoken by Christ and other scripture. So yes, the Jesus you speak of may have said those things, might even have written stuff down, but he is simply one you or someone else made up. He isn't the Jesus found in the scriptures because he agrees with the Bible.

@kellyjay said
If the Jesus Christ in the Bible actually wrote it, I'd agree, but He didn't write anything we can read, so you are making that up. I have seen your doctrine where you have ignored words spoken by Christ and other scripture. So yes, the Jesus you speak of may have said those things, might even have written stuff down, but he is simply one you or someone else made up. He isn't the Jesus found in the scriptures because he agrees with the Bible.

Damn um hàvung a strike after that post

@kellyjay said
I don’t care!

And... bingo!

There it is... element #2 of KellyJay's Christianity - the abject discourse-obliterating narcissism.

We've already had a few pages of pessimism and negativity and, above all, element #1: misanthropy.

Then comes the 'I'm alright Jack' narcissism, the 'I am saved by my own thoughts', and 'My thoughts are so objectively true they explain and justify why dissenters will be tortured forever'.

@fmf said
And... bingo!

There it is... element #2 of KellyJay's Christianity - the abject discourse-obliterating narcissism.

We've already had a few pages of pessimism and negativity and, above all, element #1: misanthropy.

Then comes the 'I'm alright Jack' narcissism, the 'I am saved by my own thoughts', and 'My thoughts are so objectively true they explain and justify why dissenters will be tortured forever'.

It isn't a matter of what you 'believe in'; it only matters what the truth is.

If what you used to believe wasn't true, then it was never true, isn't true now, and never will be true. Your opinion doesn't make so; it is just your opinion.

@kellyjay said
Now if you accept something as true then change your mind you are now calling it false. If these views actually have a correct answer the truth about the topic never changes only your opinion does.

As you say so often with regard to your allegedly "absolute truths", "IF" this, and "IF" that. "IF you're right and "IF" I am wrong. And on the basis of this reasoning, your rote-regurgitating mindmap sees inexplicably stupendous and neverending violence - being visited upon people whose speculations about the "correct answer" are different from yours - as being morally righteous and coherent.

@kellyjay said
It isn't a matter of what you 'believe in'; it only matters what the truth is.

But you insisting that your misanthropic moral nonsense is "the truth" over and over and over and over again in conversations does not tackle the incoherence of the grotesque violence you tout as being morally sound.

@kellyjay said
If what you used to believe wasn't true, then it was never true, isn't true now, and never will be true. Your opinion doesn't make so; it is just your opinion.

And all your rather vile misanthropic declarations and your admiration for depraved retribution for people who have different beliefs than you "is just your opinion" too. If it has no coherence, then it has no traction. Is this your "ministry" here? 'It is just your opinion, it is just your opinion, it is just your opinion, it is just your opinion...' but... your opinion is not just your opinion! Bingo! Narcissism + Misanthropy = KellyJayChristianity.