23 Apr 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadEdit: "So it is essentially nothing more than a claim by definition. Seems rather odd that you bothered to bring it up in the first place as it was a somewhat meaningless statement."
It seems it was my error. I cant actually find a post where you used "religion" without the word "theist". I thought you had.
[b]I claimed that the theists, according to the original definition of the notion "theism" (specifically, as it was introduced and meant by Cudworth, the man who brought up the notion theism), they believe regardless of their re ...[text shortened]... idols have never actually existed - and thus idolatry has also never been practiced.
It is meaningless to you😵
23 Apr 10
Nordic footnote: argument from Norse mythology is vitiated by reliance on Snorri Sturluson, writing literature many generations after Christianisation of Iceland. What did the priests of Odin really teach? Hard to say, they're out of reach.
Footnote to footnote: the Primordial Cow is probably a hangover from days when the Cow was like Hathor, a deity.
I would focus on currently existing beliefs. Closest current system to the Norse I know of is Hinduism. Does it qualify under black beetle's statement?
23 Apr 10
Originally posted by black beetleI was learning as I went, too, old friend! I don’t think we resolved the “dilemma of definitions” though.
I see your point and I understand it in full, but again you attribute a broader definition to the notion "theism". I did not place these systems under the umbrella of theism because I followed strictly Cudworth’s notion (belief to a personal God who is in full active in the creation, governance and ruling of the universe). The Norse and Taoist systems a ...[text shortened]... even as the “supreme being”. Well played my friend, way to go, I thank you for the lesson!
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I’m returning to my retreat now, so be well! Also my friends Bosse and Twhitehead!
23 Apr 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI don't know. My ventures in Hinduism have been strictly Advaita Vedanta and its Shaivite cousin Kashmir Shaivism.
Nordic footnote: argument from Norse mythology is vitiated by reliance on Snorri Sturluson, writing literature many generations after Christianisation of Iceland. What did the priests of Odin really teach? Hard to say, they're out of reach.
Footnote to footnote: the Primordial Cow is probably a hangover from days when the Cow was like Hathor, a dei ...[text shortened]... ent system to the Norse I know of is Hinduism. Does it qualify under black beetle's statement?
Be well.
23 Apr 10
Originally posted by black beetleSo it seams.
It is meaningless to you😵
You make the rather circular statement that all Theists are Theists (by stating the definition of theism - or at least the one you claim is the original definition).
When challenged, you don't simply point out that you are merely following the definition, you instead start giving examples, asking for exceptions etc and even Bose clearly misunderstands your claim and similarly starts asking for examples of exceptions.
Its really not surprising that I misunderstood you and thought you were claiming that all religions were theistic (they are not).
24 Apr 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut Bosse and I, we told you many times that we were following the original definition; in fact, Bosse was the first who passed you over here the original definition of the notion "theism".
So it seams.
You make the rather circular statement that all Theists are Theists (by stating the definition of theism - or at least the one you claim is the original definition).
When challenged, you don't simply point out that you are merely following the definition, you instead start giving examples, asking for exceptions etc and even Bose clearly m ...[text shortened]... isunderstood you and thought you were claiming that all religions were theistic (they are not).
I will let Bosse de Nage to tell you whether on not he agrees or disagrees, and whether or not he understands or misunderstands my thesis.
Regarding Hinduism and Bosse's question, I say that the four main Hindu schools do accept that "God" (Vishnu/ Brahma/ Shiva/ Shakti) "are the ground/ source of all being"
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24 Apr 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelSo what is a dream?
ALL is dream,including the dreamer
Is a dream real?
If a dream is not real, and everything is a dream, then everything is not real.
If everything is not real, then everything doesn't exist.
How can that be?
If dreams are real, and this is a dream, then everything is real and not really a dream.
24 Apr 10
Originally posted by josephwI think thats what you call an existansial quandry-chicken/egg syndrome,if you will.
So what is a dream?
Is a dream real?
If a dream is not real, and everything is a dream, then everything is not real.
If everything is not real, then everything doesn't exist.
How can that be?
If dreams are real, and this is a dream, then everything is real and not really a dream.
I insist you must start with a premise if you are to make any progress. That premise may well be "All is dream"