01 Jun 05
Originally posted by telerionTaken side-by-side as factual accounts, there are certainly contradictions, but some of the basics remain the same:
No, it would not be reasonable in that analogy. But then that's not really the kind of problem that we find in the resurrection accounts.
It's more like this.
Agent J: We once were engaged in a fight with alien lifeforms from outerspace.
Agent K: Yeah, its true. It's only happened once in our lives.
Hotty Linda Fiorentino: Sure . . . ...[text shortened]... this. If you read them seperately they sound fine, but side-by-side, they make no sense at all.
1. Mary Magdalene was numero uno (or among them) to know about the Resurrection.
2. All four accounts affirm the Resurrection itself.
Given that the accounts are basically second-hand accounts (since none of the evangelists were present in person), it does not seem unnatural that some of facts are not reconcilable. Nevertheless, those aspects of the accounts that do not reconcile should not be used to reject those aspects that do.
01 Jun 05
Originally posted by Nemesioivanhoe and I were speculating that the WP were off on their top-secret annual cruise round the Bahamas while you guys were away.
Pardon?
I went to Philly because my sister in law graduated from U Penn Law
School two weeks ago. And this past week I was refinishing the floor in my living room.
Cruise?
Nemesio
😀
LH
01 Jun 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerLOL!!!!
ivanhoe and I were speculating that the WP were off on their top-secret annual cruise round the Bahamas while you guys were away.
😀
LH
I wish my WolfPack (tm) dues went to something like that...
Alas, they are spent on other, more insidious expenditures for the
taking over of the RHP forums. 😉
Nemesio
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04 Jun 05
Originally posted by NemesioI never said that there were different sects of Jews that held the Passover on different days. I am saying that some of the Jews started the feast on the Thursday. I am sure of this and I will try and get hold of some sources for you ASAP. In the mean time it is simply your word against mine. You still have not supplied anything to back up your statement that the Pascha was ALWAYS done on the Friday.
Show me ONE piece of historical evidence that says that different
sects of Jews held the Passover Seder on different days.
Just one.
Nemesio
Regards,
Daniel
04 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerLeviticus23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
I never said that there were different sects of Jews that held the Passover on different days. I am saying that some of the Jews started the feast on the Thursday. I am sure of this and I will try and get hold of some sources for you ASAP. In the mean time it is simply your word against mine. You still have not supplied anything to back up your statement that the Pascha was ALWAYS done on the Friday.
Regards,
Daniel
Taking place the first 2 nights of the 8 day holiday, the Seder is the most important event in the Passover celebration. Usually gathering the whole family and friends together, the Seder is steeped in long held traditions and customs...
http://www.holidays.net/passover/seder.html
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04 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompThanks Froggy...
Leviticus23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Taking place the first 2 nights of the 8 day holiday, the Seder is the most important event in the Passover celebration. Usually gathering the whole family and friends together, the Seder is steeped in long held traditions and customs...
http://www.holidays.net/passover/seder.html
"Taking place the first 2 nights...
There you go Nem.
04 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerDj did you ever do poorly on a test because you tried too hard? Or maybe played one of those tricky ice breakers where everyone else gets what's going on except you?
I really want to hear your explanation.
Sometimes the answer is so simple, and yet you miss because you are trying too hard . . .
other times you're just so indoctrinated that you lose all sense of perspective.
05 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompUm. This says 'The fourteenth day...,' not 'the fourteenth and fifteenth day.'
Leviticus23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Taking place the first 2 nights of the 8 day holiday, the Seder is the most important event in the Passover celebration. Usually gathering the whole family and friends together, the Seder is steeped in long held traditions and customs...
http://www.holidays.net/passover/seder.html
This passage CONFIRMS that the Seder -- the Passover, the Pascha -- is
a singular event. The 'Festival' of Passover may last a number of days, but the
Passover Seder (for which a person must not be defiled), is a singular event.
The celebration of the Seder across two nights was for Jews in the Diaspora
(which Jesus wasn't -- He was in Israel, of course).
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/About_Jewish_Holidays/Overview_Types_of_Holidays/HolidayLength.htm
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/pesach.php
The only time that Jesus might have celebrated a two-day Passover was during their
supposed flight into Egypt as described by Matthew, not in Jerusalem where the Temple
was (the date for Passover was established by the Sanhedrin; the extension of
date was to ensure that Jews in the Diaspora celebrated on the right day -- that is,
only one day was necessary, but they did two days just to be sure).
Sorry folks. This doesn't cut it. People in Jesus's region of town celebrated the Pascha
on a single day.
Care to try again?
Nemesio
05 Jun 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerThat seder includes passover on the 14th and the feast of unleven bread on the 15th
Thanks Froggy...
[b]"Taking place the first 2 nights...
There you go Nem.[/b]
23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's
passover.
23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of
unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened
bread.