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Would any of you know Spirituality...

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Originally posted by @sonship
Two thousand years from now who will recall your insights ?
You're determined not to address the question, aren't you?

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Originally posted by @sonship
Maybe you see physicians as always preying on sick people by recommending to them a medical cure.
Should religionists who prey on people with mental disorders at least have some training in psychiatry and/or psychology, do you think?

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Originally posted by @fmf
Should religionists who prey on people with mental disorders at least have some training in psychiatry and/or psychology, do you think?
I don't think anyone should "prey" on anyone - training or no.

I think I am not interested in how quickly you can look on the negative side of everything about Spirituality in suspicion.

I think your paranoia talents to hunt out foul motives need not be an obsession to both of us.

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Originally posted by @sonship
I don't think anyone should "prey" on anyone - training or no.

I think I am not interested in how quickly you can look on the negative side of everything about Spirituality in suspicion.

I think your paranoia talents to hunt out foul motives need not be an obsession to both of us.
Would you refrain from taking advantage of people with mental health problems? Presumably not, judging by your "Jesus" red herrings.

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Originally posted by @sonship
I think your paranoia talents to hunt out foul motives need not be an obsession to both of us.
"Paranoia"? "Obsession"?

Oh my. Are you trying to attribute my awkward questions to something other than a simple difference of opinion?

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Originally posted by @sonship
I think I am not interested in how quickly you can look on the negative side of everything about Spirituality in suspicion.
Have I tackled you on the subject of your attitude to depression too "quickly"?

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Originally posted by @fmf
Have I tackled you on the subject of your attitude to depression too "quickly"?
Your questions are always of the nature of -

"I have an opinion. Confirm it."

I don't recall any question from you genuinely displaying an open mind that was not already padlocked closed on its own opinion.

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I think that the word Gospel meaning "Good News" really implies that some is needed amidst the bad news.

Some feel "No Good News is good news" like the athiest.

It should not be a matter of preying on anyone. But until Revelation and the close of the age, this tension exists between Christ as reality and man's religion. The Bible itself deals with the tension and conflict more effectively then the skeptic I think.

And the closer something is to the truth the more likely it is that it will be opposed or imitated as a rationale to dignify baser human motives.

You focus first and exclusively on the latter.
I do not ignore the latter but recognize that human nature will always have it as such.

"God and Jesus are good to dignify my agenda." is with the world until the second coming, unfortunately.

One can always draw attention to this.
I like to spend at least some equal time to the actual Good News and its effectiveness. There is no shortage of examples.

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Originally posted by @sonship
I don't recall any question from you genuinely displaying an open mind that was not already padlocked closed on its own opinion.
Well I'm not padlocked to being a Christian any more, that's clear. Do you see yourself as displaying an "open mind" on this forum?

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Originally posted by @divegeester
Why not start a thread on this very subject?
I thought I did just that, a few days ago: Peace among the Religions.

The response was, by and large, disappointing. The "bickerers" can find really no alternatives than to fall back on entrenched, myopic, positions.

As a follower of Christ deeply disappointed by modern, mass-market and stereotyped "Christianity", I would like to seriously discuss some issues with those trying to "sit on the roof" (see a previous post of mine in the PatR thread). Authors like Eckhardt Tolle, Ken Wilber and others.

The "Christian" position here on RHP is, quite frankly, embarrassing. I have much more understanding (and empathy) for the position of FMF, moonbus, BDP and some others, who may or may not be "atheists".

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Spirituality involves the human spirit and the Holy Spirit of God.

That is what spirituality is about - our spirit and God's Spirit.

There is an evil spirit. But our spirit and the evil spirit is not positive spirituality but a matter always of deception to turn man AWAY from the Spirit of God.

Some disciplines of humans going back to ancient history involve awakening suppresses powers of the human soul. This can result in unusual and even incredible powers at man's disposal.

And those who are good at these various techniques of awakening soulical power often regard this as a matter of spirituality.

I would say that these disciplines of taping into the latent power of the soul and soulical, science of the soul, more than exercise of spirituality.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Food for thought surely when we consider that Hinduism (for instance) existed before both Christianity and Judaism? How then could the claim be made that Hinduism is a counterfeit? .
Hi Ghost - would you care to enter into a discussion of Hinduism vs Buddhism and the competing "Eastern" religions?

And maybe we can politely ask the "You-will-burn-in-hell-without-Jesus" crowd to stay on the sidelines without throwing in Bible quotes?

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Or alternatively, any of Ken Wilber's books, preferably "Integral Spirituality".

I would love to discuss his concepts with anybody who has read this book.

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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
....if it bit you on the arse?

I am beginning to think not.

Most of the posters left here have no fvcking clue what Spirituality implies.

That is why my interest in this forum had declined.

There is no wisdom left here.

There is no insight as to the human condition.

I come in here, and see a bunch of Christians bickering over silly doctrine they has zero effect on human beings and their search for meaning in LifE.
But that is why we have you, a fountain of wisdom. 😵

Mostly all we have here are a bunch of bitter disbelieving train wrecks.

Good call

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Originally posted by @caljust
Hi Ghost - would you care to enter into a discussion of Hinduism vs Buddhism and the competing "Eastern" religions?

And maybe we can politely ask the "You-will-burn-in-hell-without-Jesus" crowd to stay on the sidelines without throwing in Bible quotes?
Absolutely. First question though, why is it necessary to view Eastern religions as 'competing'?

I fully understand, that for Christians, the only door to God is Jesus (which in turn leads to perceiving all other religions as counterfeit) but I think this makes for a very poor starting point in any meaningful dialogue with people from other faiths.

Instead of seeing other religions as competition or a threat, surely a more healthy dialogue would be one that seeks out similarities in a shared journey, in searching out or understanding the divine?

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