04 May 16
Originally posted by divegeesterTo be fair, I don't think Suzianne actually meant that you don't answer questions put to you. I think she was simply trying to say something caustic to you regardless of whether it was true or not. If so, then she has succeeded.
Can you give me one example of me not answering a question put to me...just one?
05 May 16
Originally posted by SuzianneYou are confusing the 144,000 listed before the "great crowd" who are the martyrs with the great crowd itself.
So are you now saying that the martyrs of Christ in Revelation don't actually die?
Is this JW dogma?
(Revelation 7:4-8) And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 Out of the tribe of Judah 12,000 sealed; out of the tribe of Reuʹben 12,000; out of the tribe of Gad 12,000; 6 out of the tribe of Ashʹer 12,000; out of the tribe of Naphʹta·li 12,000; out of the tribe of Ma·nasʹseh 12,000; 7 out of the tribe of Simʹe·on 12,000; out of the tribe of Leʹvi 12,000; out of the tribe of Isʹsa·char 12,000; 8 out of the tribe of Zebʹu·lun 12,000; out of the tribe of Joseph 12,000; out of the tribe of Benjamin 12,000 sealed.
(Revelation 7:9) After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,
As anyone can see, there are two groups.
One is given a difinite number.
The other is a large unnumbered great crowd that will be saved thru the tribulation.
This is simply what the Bible says.
05 May 16
Originally posted by roigamHow many spaces are left in the 144,000?
You are confusing the 144,000 listed before the "great crowd" who are the martyrs with the great crowd itself.
(Revelation 7:4-8) And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 Out of the tribe of Judah 12,000 sealed; out of the tribe of Reuʹben 12,000; out of the tribe of Gad 12,000; 6 out of th ...[text shortened]... mbered great crowd that will be saved thru the tribulation.
This is simply what the Bible says.
05 May 16
Originally posted by FMFAnd again your powers of mind-reading have failed you.
To be fair, I don't think Suzianne actually meant that you don't answer questions put to you. I think she was simply trying to say something caustic to you regardless of whether it was true or not. If so, then she has succeeded.
Originally posted by SuzianneSo is your comment about divegeester's "modus operandi" being one in which he never answers a question put directly to him, true or false? Your deflection about my "powers of mind-reading" suggest I have hit the nail on the head.
And again your powers of mind-reading have failed you.
05 May 16
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Originally posted by roigamNo.
You are confusing the 144,000 listed before the "great crowd" who are the martyrs with the great crowd itself.
(Revelation 7:4-8) And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 Out of the tribe of Judah 12,000 sealed; out of the tribe of Reuʹben 12,000; out of the tribe of Gad 12,000; 6 out of th ...[text shortened]... mbered great crowd that will be saved thru the tribulation.
This is simply what the Bible says.
Again you have this wrong.
Yes, of course there are two groups, this is plain. The 144,000 are ethnic Jews, not JWs, for one thing. And they are sealed to God and they survive the Tribulation, for they are to meet Jesus at Mt. Zion (see below).
The martyrs, who do not survive the Tribulation, are the great multitude of all nations.
Far more people will die in the Tribulation than will survive. To claim that only the 144,000 are martyrs and that the multitudes survive the Tribulation is, well, crazy.
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." -- Revelation 14:1-5, KJV
05 May 16
Originally posted by FMFStop obfuscating. He asked me to give him an example and I did, and from this very thread. I see you missed it too, in your eagerness to defend him, as usual.
So is your comment about divegeester's "modus operandi" being one in which he never answers a question put directly to him, true or false? Your deflection about my "powers of mind-reading" suggest I have hit the nail on the head.
You haven't exactly hit any nails "on the head" since I've been posting in these forums. You exaggerate and pontificate routinely.
Originally posted by FMFAnd exactly how is my comment about your "powers of mind-reading" a deflection?
So is your comment about divegeester's "modus operandi" being one in which he never answers a question put directly to him, true or false? Your deflection about my "powers of mind-reading" suggest I have hit the nail on the head.
I replied to your comment to him. How was I "deflecting"? What was I "deflecting"?
Originally posted by SuzianneYou're dodging again. I am not asking for an example of diveegeester not answering a question. What evidence do you have that never answering a question put directly to him is divegeester's "modus operandi"?
Stop obfuscating. He asked me to give him an example and I did, and from this very thread. I see you missed it too, in your eagerness to defend him, as usual.
You haven't exactly hit any nails "on the head" since I've been posting in these forums. You exaggerate and pontificate routinely.