11 Mar 07
Originally posted by SALADINTo be honest I never saw that much of Davids.
you have got to be joking!!?
did you ever see Davids in the 90s?
viere and keane are/were never better the edgar
I am commenting on the few matches I did and to be honest I thought him very overated. Both in Italy and Holland.
In the 90's Italian football was the best but I did watch it that much.
You rate that high? How often did you see him? I know Ferguson was desparate to sign him for Man Utd at one time.
11 Mar 07
Originally posted by petrosianpupilwell i have to say i have always been a great Davids fan. I only watched him onthe TV during the 90s to be honest, but got a spurs season ticket as soon as they signed him last year!
To be honest I never saw that much of Davids.
I am commenting on the few matches I did and to be honest I thought him very overated. Both in Italy and Holland.
In the 90's Italian football was the best but I did watch it that much.
You rate that high? How often did you see him? I know Ferguson was desparate to sign him for Man Utd at one time.
its unfair for people to compare his short time in england as he is now well over 30+ and not really the same player as he was in the 90s.
I agree with you that keane was a excellant player, but I feel he is a bit over-rated by the media. Also he is a bit off a thugh.
there is a big diffirence between being a hard man and a thugh and keane was a boderline case.
11 Mar 07
Originally posted by SALADINHe has a dark side. I remember reading that Cloughie went to see his room and he had painted it pitch black!
well i have to say i have always been a great Davids fan. I only watched him onthe TV during the 90s to be honest, but got a spurs season ticket as soon as they signed him last year!
its unfair for people to compare his short time in england as he is now well over 30+ and not really the same player as he was in the 90s.
I agree with you that keane was ...[text shortened]...
there is a big diffirence between being a hard man and a thugh and keane was a boderline case.
The trouble with agression like that it can be out of order. He should have been banned for life for some of his tackles.
i remember when the republic of Ireland drew away against Holland in a qualifying match. The Irish team were all celebrating; Keane went crazy at them as he thought they should have wanted to win.
11 Mar 07
Originally posted by SALADINI think Keane thought he was a hard man (ala Paul Ince).... but to be perfectly honest, neither would've tried anything on with Graeme Souness or Dave McKay...now they were hard!
well i have to say i have always been a great Davids fan. I only watched him onthe TV during the 90s to be honest, but got a spurs season ticket as soon as they signed him last year!
its unfair for people to compare his short time in england as he is now well over 30+ and not really the same player as he was in the 90s.
I agree with you that keane was ...[text shortened]...
there is a big diffirence between being a hard man and a thugh and keane was a boderline case.
11 Mar 07
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Originally posted by blade68lol!!! now you are talking... Souness was proper HARD... thats the best example thanks Blade68.
I think Keane thought he was a hard man (ala Paul Ince).... but to be perfectly honest, neither would've tried anything on with Graeme Souness or Dave McKay...now they were hard!
what i was tryijng to say before.. there are dirty players like Vinny Jones and also kenny Burns at Notts Forest in the 70s and there are the REAL hard men.
Ince was never HARD.. only in his MIND!
Also Claudio Gentile of Juv and Italy was a real hard man, along with Romeo Benetti. Kevin keegan once said that '... benetti would start kicking you from the tunnel'
12 Mar 07
Originally posted by SALADINthe best has to be the kaiser (franz beckenbauer).
lol!!! now you are talking... Souness was proper HARD... thats the best example thanks Blade68.
what i was tryijng to say before.. there are dirty players like Vinny Jones and also kenny Burns at Notts Forest in the 70s and there are the REAL hard men.
Ince was never HARD.. only in his MIND!
Also Claudio Gentile of Juv and Italy was a real hard man, ...[text shortened]... eo Benetti. Kevin keegan once said that '... benetti would start kicking you from the tunnel'
best i have seen - keano, there is only one keano.
13 Mar 07
Originally posted by RagnorakThe thing is Rag, there's been no-one to shy away from in the modern game... it's all handbags at 10 paces stuff these days.
Who did Keane ever shy away from?
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I'll tell you what though.... Keane wouldn't live in an amateur league, away from the public eye, with referees who don't care about 'protecting' players.
Keane and Ince were designer hard men.... Stuart Pearce was the last of the hard men in my opinion.
14 Mar 07
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Originally posted by blade68I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're talking out of your arse.
The thing is Rag, there's been no-one to shy away from in the modern game... it's all handbags at 10 paces stuff these days.
I'll tell you what though.... Keane wouldn't live in an amateur league, away from the public eye, with referees who don't care about 'protecting' players.
Keane and Ince were designer hard men.... Stuart Pearce was the last of the hard men in my opinion.
On what occasion was Keane ever "protected" by a ref? On what occasion did any player (in the Premiership/Internationals/European football) bully him?
You're basing your opinion on your own personal feelings, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
So you think that somebody who chose professional soccer over professional boxing, and comes from one of the worst estates in Ireland couldn't handle Sunday League football?
Give me a break.
D
14 Mar 07
Originally posted by RagnorakGot to agree with Rag. on this.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're talking out of your arse.
On what occasion was Keane ever "protected" by a ref? On what occasion did any player (in the Premiership/Internationals/European football) bully him?
You're basing your opinion on your own personal feelings, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
So you think that somebo ...[text shortened]... worst estates in Ireland couldn't handle Sunday League football?
Give me a break.
D
To be a professional sportsman you have to be hard. Even pele, Best Ronaldhino.
Keane was hard as nails. Worse than that though he would calculate it. Like shearer, few people went in hard as they knew that 20 minutes later, when the ref was busy.......
Mind you that Gentile post, now he ENJOYED being an animal.
14 Mar 07
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Originally posted by RagnorakI'm not disputing that Keane was hard as nails, but a major change did happen after yellow cards were introduced. The game is much softer now, more technical and also much better for it.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're talking out of your arse.
On what occasion was Keane ever "protected" by a ref? On what occasion did any player (in the Premiership/Internationals/European football) bully him?
You're basing your opinion on your own personal feelings, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
So you think that somebo ...[text shortened]... worst estates in Ireland couldn't handle Sunday League football?
Give me a break.
D
14 Mar 07
While this is off-topic I don't wanna post a seperate thread for it.
One of the things that really annoys me about the modern game is how come a defender can shield the ball away from an opposing forward or whatever - sometimes from 10 yards or more away from the by-line?
Often the defender will be inside the penalty area, run in behind the ball & literally just stand still between the path of the attacking player & the ball, allowing it to cross for a goal kick.
If that were anywhere else on the field it would be classed as obstruction.
I think it leads to highly negative play. If the defender had to clear the ball it would most likely lead to a corner or opposition throw-in well inside the defending team's half.
This defensive shepherding the ball over the line seems to contradict both the spirit & the rules of the game as applied on other areas of the pitch.
Any thoughts?
14 Mar 07
Originally posted by PalynkaSure, but it's pure conjecture (obviously) on blade's part to say that he wouldn't be able to stand against players like Souness. I'd be interested to find out how that opinion could be formed.
I'm not disputing that Keane was hard as nails, but a major change did happen after yellow cards were introduced. The game is much softer now, more technical and also much better for it.
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14 Mar 07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midfielder#Defensive_midfielder
This link defines the role of defensive mid fielder..
Keane Ballack and Vieira are listed as great examples of a box to box midfielders.
The true defensive midf'r is the dominant centre of the field play making general.. they list Dunga as the prime example with Claude Makalele - Chelsea, Real and France as the current tradesman example.
It's not a bad read...