09 Feb 09
Originally posted by Tirau DanNever did it, no. I'm a very honourable and ethical player.
In school and social cricket did you honestly never do this to a batsman?
Our keepers used to do it (in fun) regularly just to keep you on your toes.
I had missed the hesitation in his appeal but even so their is no exuse for this rotten behaviour in cricket.
Haddin obviously isn't, but he didn't intend to cheat. He's just an ass in an under-performing team under pressure.
12 Feb 09
Originally posted by Tirau DanI can't see why you think he "deliberately" tried to cheat. No player from any country would ever cheat! No way! With Haddin, the whole thing happened so very quickly that it's impossible for him to tell if he did the wrong thing or not.
Cheating involves a deliberate act of breaking the rules and Haddin very clearly did this.
It's easy for us to sit back in our lounge rooms with endless replays, slow motion, hot spot etc etc..to make a judgement call.. but when you have one go at it in real time, it ain't so easy! If he did have doubts (which it appears as though he did), he should have gone to the umpire for a chat. Or made some mention of it.. but it all happens so quickly..
NO PLAYER would ever want their integrity questioned.
12 Feb 09
Originally posted by AussieGIn the real world professional players from most sports do unfortunately cheat. You see it in soccer all the time (they're the pits) you see it in cricket with dropped catches being called as held, over the years we've seen bottle tops rubbed on the leather, seam picking umpire bumping and more.
I can't see why you think he "deliberately" tried to cheat. No player from any country would ever cheat! No way! With Haddin, the whole thing happened so very quickly that it's impossible for him to tell if he did the wrong thing or not.
It's easy for us to sit back in our lounge rooms with endless replays, slow motion, hot spot etc etc..to make a judgem ...[text shortened]... but it all happens so quickly..
NO PLAYER would ever want their integrity questioned.
I Haddin's case I based my decision of many years of social cricket where mates did exactly what he did to peeve ppl off.. in our cricket it was done for a laugh and was always admitted to in his case he did to cheat.
Dan Vittori and The NZ cricket team reported the incident as cheating and haven't changed their minds.. the majority of the media agreed with them though some say he was just a bad sport.
The choice here is bad sport or cheat? I say Cheat.
12 Feb 09
Please forgive me for my ignorance of this game. This is kind of interesting and would like to ask a question or two about the game of Cricket. I've never actually watched the game in full before. While I realize that the keeper is not supposed to bring his glove in front of the stumps ;
1) what exactly is the purpose of the stumps? Is the ball supposed to hit them or not?
2) Is it alright for the Keepers glove to inadvertently hit the stumps? I see some kind of wood or something on top of the stumps that fell off. What is the purpose of that?
I think this sport might actually be worth watching whereas I have some difficulty appreciating your football. (soccer) Though I do realize the athleticism involved in being proficient in the game it just isn't my cup of tea.
12 Feb 09
Originally posted by cashthetrash1:The ball is not permitted to hit the wicket when the ball is being bowled (pitched). You defend them with your bat and your body.
Please forgive me for my ignorance of this game. This is kind of interesting and would like to ask a question or two about the game of Cricket. I've never actually watched the game in full before. While I realize that the keeper is not supposed to bring his glove in front of the stumps ;
1) what exactly is the purpose of the stumps? Is the ball suppo ...[text shortened]... realize the athleticism involved in being proficient in the game it just isn't my cup of tea.
If the ball hits the stumps enough to remove the bails (some kind of wood or something on top of the stumps) then the batsman (batter) is out. There are other ways of getting out.
2: It is not alright for the Keepers glove to hit the stumps or remove the bails on top while the ball is in front of the stumps. Must take it behind the stumps. Thats the rule. With slow bowlers, the keepers get closer to the stumps.
The bails complete your wicket you must protect. The ball can just shave the stumps, remove one of those tiny pieces of wood and you are gone.
The keeper can hit the stumps after that only with the ball in his gloves to try and "stump" the batsman if he is in front of the line of his "crease" ( the line of his base he must be behind when the ball goes by the stumps).
The arguement here is it seems to be that the Aussie keeper tricked the umpire into giving the batter out when the keeper hit it with his gloves.
I call it bad sportsmanship, some call it cheating.
Hope it helps.
12 Feb 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashHere's another thread you can check out from a few years ago: Thread 8160
Please forgive me for my ignorance of this game. This is kind of interesting and would like to ask a question or two about the game of Cricket. I've never actually watched the game in full before. While I realize that the keeper is not supposed to bring his glove in front of the stumps ;
1) what exactly is the purpose of the stumps? Is the ball suppo ...[text shortened]... realize the athleticism involved in being proficient in the game it just isn't my cup of tea.
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The stumps are basically the middle point of the game and is what the bowler (usually, but we won't go into that now) aims for. The bails on top of the stumps need to be dislodged for a batsman to be out in this way - there are 10 different ways a batsman can be given out for, including:
- Bowled
- Caught
- etc. Check out the other thread...
Very simply put:
- If a bowler bowls a valid delivery and the ball dislodges the bails, the batsman is out.
- If a batsman is hit on his pads (bottom part of leg) and is in front of the stumps, he is out.
- If a batsman attempts a run, the fielding side tries to dislodge the bails before he gets to his crease in order to run him out.
- If a batsman is facing a ball and moves out of his crease, but misses the ball, he can be stumped (dislodging the bails with his hands whilst holding the ball) by the wicket keeper.
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Any keeper worth his salt won't disturb the stumps, unless he is attempting a stumping or run-out.
It's really a very interesting sport and is the best sport IMO, as it has so many facets - especially test cricket, which gets played over 5 days...
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by lordhighgusIt does help and thanks for the explanation. I had assumed correctly what the idea was behind the game and I now see why they call it bowling as opposed to pitching like in baseball but wasn't sure. Very interesting discussion. In fact both the differences and similarities from what I am used to in baseball makes it even more enjoyable.
1:The ball is not permitted to hit the wicket when the ball is being bowled (pitched). You defend them with your bat and your body.
If the ball hits the stumps enough to remove the bails (some kind of wood or something on top of the stumps) then the batsman (batter) is out. There are other ways of getting out.
2: It is not alright for the Keepers glove ...[text shortened]... it it with his gloves.
I call it bad sportsmanship, some call it cheating.
Hope it helps.
I have no creditable opinion on the cheating accusations, other than to say I find it hard to believe that the keeper wouldn't have known after the fact what had happened. But if it was intentional or premeditated I find that hard to believe because you never know where the ball will be beforehand. It would just be a natural reaction to catch the ball. But what I don't understand is why the umpire couldn't have been close enough to have made a better call. It seems to me the problem is not with the keeper and what he claims or admits to right or wrong the problem is with the umpire for not making the correct call. We know it is a no ball because the keepers hands were in front of the stumps.
Is there no instant replay cameras set up to help an official determine the correct call in cases of controversy so they can quickly revere a decision when appealed? Wouldn't that make sense? We don't have instant replay in baseball for balls and strikes but I have sometimes wished there was some kind technology developed today to do that because quite frankly some umpires really screw up a game. Thanks for the wonderful discussion guys. I've learned a lot from it, and I hope I learn more.
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by CrowleyWell you are correct that does sound interesting. I'll check it out. It's almost laughable to compare the two games of baseball and cricket in fact we have in the past had a chuckle or two but the truth is they are both great games and if I understood the game better I could take an interest in it. While those rules are just basic to those who watch the game I knew none of them. Total ignorance. 🙂
Here's another thread you can check out from a few years ago: Thread 8160
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The stumps are basically the middle point of the game and is what the bowler (usually, but we won't go into that now) aims for. The bails on top of the stumps need to be dislodged for a batsman to be out in this way - there are 10 different ways a batsman can be gi ...[text shortened]... rt IMO, as it has so many facets - especially test cricket, which gets played over 5 days...
There is a lot of skill and athleticism in the sport as I can see. I haven't had a lot of opportunity to watch the game before but with the Internet there is hope. The game wasn't taught in my schools growing up, but I wish it had been.
17 Feb 09
I had a read on the thread you recommended Crowley. It was a great read. It explained a lot. Very complicated game but you made it sound simple. I can't wait to learn this game. It almost makes me want to go out and build a team. I can't wait to see my first real match. Someone please lead the way to where to tune in. What the heck have I been missing here all these years. Youtube is helping me too.
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashWe have that, but they mostly get used for run-out and stonking decisions and sometimes to help judge catches and if boundaries were hit (a boundary is scored if a fielder touches the boundary rope while in the process of fielding or catching a ball).
Is there no instant replay cameras set up to help an official determine the correct call in cases of controversy so they can quickly revere a decision when appealed? Wouldn't that make sense? We don't have instant replay in baseball for balls and strikes but I have sometimes wished there was some kind technology developed today to do that because quit ...[text shortened]... hanks for the wonderful discussion guys. I've learned a lot from it, and I hope I learn more.
The problem here is that even though it seems blatant in the replay, it happened so fast in real time, no-one thought to query it.
We had to rely on Haddin being a good sportsman, but now we know what type of person he actually is...
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashI have no idea how you will be able to check out some games. Do you get Sky there? - I think they show cricket...
I had a read on the thread you recommended Crowley. It was a great read. It explained a lot. Very complicated game but you made it sound simple. I can't wait to learn this game. It almost makes me want to go out and build a team. I can't wait to see my first real match. Someone please lead the way to where to tune in. What the heck have I been missing here all these years. Youtube is helping me too.
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by CrowleyYes. I can see your point, the speed does make it difficult for the eye to catch.
I have no idea how you will be able to check out some games. Do you get Sky there? - I think they show cricket...
If you are talking about Sky radio then yes. Unfortunately I don't see anything televised from my satellite TV. Espn is the big national sports station here and quickly checking the networks I can't see the sport listed in the programming guides.
I'm sure there is a way though. I'm going to be doing some research on this because I think it would be an interesting game to bring it into a local sports bar on occasion. It's really just not common here in our culture at all. Maybe it should be.
Good luck solving the Haddin issue.
18 Feb 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashGood luck!
Yes. I can see your point, the speed does make it difficult for the eye to catch.
If you are talking about Sky radio then yes. Unfortunately I don't see anything televised from my satellite TV. Espn is the big national sports station here and quickly checking the networks I can't see the sport listed in the programming guides.
I'm sure there is ...[text shortened]... n here in our culture at all. Maybe it should be.
Good luck solving the Haddin issue.