11 Apr 07
Originally posted by Esotericthat doesnt make any sense at all...!!! so you're saying the sides in the epl are better, but the league is not.... dont the sides make up the league???
Roma deserve that. Arrogant b@stards.
I said the league outclassed the EPL, not sides (as has been shown by Man U).
11 Apr 07
Originally posted by CityblueBingo.
I think he has been suggesting that Serie A and La Liga are better due to the more competitive nature of the leagues.....not just saying the standard is better.....
This is probably true for Spain at the moment....much closer competition between the top few teams that EPL has had for a long while.....
11 Apr 07
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeI never said the sides were better either. All I am trying to say is that the calibre of competition between clubs is better than the EPL. I never said that the Italian/Spanish teams are better, i never said that the English teams are better. I am saying as a whole, the calibre and competitiveness is better.
Why are you getting angry? I think we're all a little confused how the EPL can be of a lesser standard than Serie A, when you say it's sides (i.e. team for team) are better than the Italians. Can you explain more?
11 Apr 07
Originally posted by EsotericI don't see any evidence that the competitiveness is better in Serie A than the EPL.
I never said the sides were better either. All I am trying to say is that the calibre of competition between clubs is better than the EPL. I never said that the Italian/Spanish teams are better, i never said that the English teams are better. I am saying as a whole, the calibre and competitiveness is better.
As I posted earlier, the difference between 1st and 4th in points at the end of the season in the EPL was:
12,16,16,30,34,24,22 (current)
In Serie A these differences were:
19,16,12,23,23,22,32 (current)
Considering Serie A plays 4 less games than the EPL, these values definitely do not show any significant difference in competitiveness.
As for calibre,
UEFA cups per country:
England clubs 10
Italy clubs 10
Champion's League/European Cups:
England clubs 10
Italy clubs 10
Where's the difference?
11 Apr 07
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Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeGo back for the last 20 years and tell me how many English clubs have won the UEFA Cup and Champions League.
I don't see any evidence that the competitiveness is better in Serie A than the EPL.
As I posted earlier, the difference between 1st and 4th in points at the end of the season in the EPL was:
12,16,16,30,34,24,22 (current)
In Serie A these differences were:
19,16,12,23,23,22,32 (current)
Considering Serie A plays 4 less games than the EPL, ...[text shortened]... Champion's League/European Cups:
England clubs 10
Italy clubs 10
Where's the difference?
EDIT: Going back 15 years (champions league. Am working on the UEFA cup).
English Winners
Liverpool - 2005
Man U - 1999
Total - 2
English Runner Up
Arsenal - 2006
Total - 1
Italian Winners
AC Milan - 1990, 1994, 2003
Juventus - 1996
Total- 4
Italian Runners Up
AC Milan - 1993, 1995, 2005
Juventus - 1997, 1998, 2003
Sampdoria - 1992
Total - 7
Spanish Winner
Real Madrid - 1998, 2000, 2002
Barcelona - 1992, 2006
Total - 5
Spanish Runners Up
Barcelona - 1994
Valencia - 2000, 2001
Total 3
So England have only had 3 finals appearances in the last 15 years, while Spain had 8 and the Italians 11.