06 Oct 10
Originally posted by no1maraudergame 1 - Reds get zero hits -- I'm depending on the Reds for my picks to prevail -- c'mon whodey - your team needs you -- you need to get your fan privileges restored immediately.
If whodey doesn't have someone on Fox telling him what to think, he's clueless. He has been so beaten down by the idea that the rich are smarter and better than the rest of us and that absolutely nothing can be done about it (as you can see from Debates) that he has conceded the World Series to the Yankees and other franchises of and for the MegaRich for ...[text shortened]... incinnati Reds; it's like Pleasantville all over again - a return to what made America great.
07 Oct 10
Originally posted by no1marauderIsn't it? I think if they do it again it may rank them at the genious level.
Brilliant strategy by the Reds to let Halliday throw a no hitter in Game 1; the Phillies will surely suffer a plethora of dislocated shoulders patting themselves on the back. It will be a nice memory for Philly fans to savor after they are eliminated next week.
A no hitter has only happened in post season play 2 times in history in 100 + years. How embarassing. 😳
07 Oct 10
Originally posted by shortcircuitWainright and Halladay have almost exactly the same numbers. It is not the aces, but the rest of the team, which is the difference between those teams 2010.
Not that close at all. Halladay led Philly to the promised land and Wainright led the Cards to also rans.
07 Oct 10
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Originally posted by shortcircuitTeam result shouldn't matter in CY voting. It's best pitcher, not most valuable pitcher or whatever the MVP is supposed to be.
Not that close at all. Halladay led Philly to the promised land and Wainright led the Cards to also rans.
As for Halladay v. Wainwright:
Record:
RH: 21-10 (led league in wins)
AW: 20-11
A wash, especially since Halladay played for a better team
ERA:
RH: 2.44
AW: 2.42
Slight edge to Halladay since he pitches in a tougher park; in ERA+, RH has the edge 165 to 161
IP (rounded):
RH: 250
AW: 230
Edge: Halladay
BB/9
RH: 1.1
AW: 2.2
K/9
RH: 7.3
AW: 8.2
WHIP:
RH: 1.04
AW: 1.05
Both had fantastic years, but I'd give the edge to Halladay, mostly on the strength of having pitched 20 more innings and having walked more than one fewer batter per 9 innings.
07 Oct 10
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Originally posted by sh76its pretty much a statistical tie -- so Halladay's perfect game is the tiebreaker.
Team result shouldn't matter in CY voting. It's best pitcher, not most valuable pitcher or whatever the MVP is supposed to be.
As for Halladay v. Wainwright:
Record:
RH: 21-10 (led league in wins)
AW: 20-11
A wash, especially since Halladay played for a better team
ERA:
RH: 2.44
AW: 2.42
Slight edge to Halladay since he pitches in a tough of having pitched 20 more innings and having walked more than one fewer batter per 9 innings.
But why isn't the Cy Young award given to the "most valuable pitcher"? Why does the award for the best position player* include "valuableness", while the award for the best pitcher doesn't?
*I know that pitchers can and have won the MVP, but for some reason, the sportswriters don't think pitchers have much "valuableness".
07 Oct 10
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Originally posted by MelanerpesIts just not fair. I mean, I'm sure if Wainright pitched against the Dreds he would have a perfect game as well. I cry foul!! ðŸ˜
its pretty much a statistical tie -- so Halladay's perfect game is the tiebreaker.
But why isn't the Cy Young award given to the "most valuable pitcher"? Why does the award for the best position player* include "valuableness", while the award for the best pitcher doesn't?
*I know that pitchers can and have won the MVP, but for some reason, the sportswriters don't think pitchers have much "valuableness".
So if Oslwalt pitches a perfect game in game two will this put Halladays supposid accomplishment into perspective?
07 Oct 10
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Originally posted by MelanerpesI wouldn't call a perfect game a tiebreaker since the perfect game is built into those other numbers.
its pretty much a statistical tie -- so Halladay's perfect game is the tiebreaker.
But why isn't the Cy Young award given to the "most valuable pitcher"? Why does the award for the best position player* include "valuableness", while the award for the best pitcher doesn't?
*I know that pitchers can and have won the MVP, but for some reason, the sportswriters don't think pitchers have much "valuableness".
I would say that though it's close to a statistical tie, I don't think that it is. Halladays 20 extra innings is a significant difference between the two; and enough to swing the award to him.
08 Oct 10
Originally posted by no1marauder5 teams have come back from 2-0; it's 2-0 and going on the road that only one team has done. I remember the series well; it was the 2001 Yankees against the A's. Game 3 was saved by the famous Jeter "flip" play and the Yanks didn't look back.
For those who care, the Rangers routed the Rays again to go up 2-0. Only 1 team has ever come back from such a deficit to win a Division series.
08 Oct 10
Originally posted by sh76I think the twenty innings is significant but I would want to know what the bullpens did (especially with inherited runners), the difference in ball park and the difference in defense. I am guessing that since none of those things are huge strong points for Philly, that Halladay would get the edge but really to me this is an extraordinarily close race.
I wouldn't call a perfect game a tiebreaker since the perfect game is built into those other numbers.
I would say that though it's close to a statistical tie, I don't think that it is. Halladays 20 extra innings is a significant difference between the two; and enough to swing the award to him.