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11 Jan 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydNot in the hearts and minds of the players, organization, and fans. And that's all that really counts. Who really cares what you and other non-Patriot fans think?
Even if they are, it's all for naught. The 2007 Pats will be forever tainted by CameraGate.
Just go 19-0 baby and let the celebration begin!!
11 Jan 08
Originally posted by UllrYou're right about one thing: the fans are what counts. The fans of professional football--not the near-sighted fans of the team-de-jour for 2008. Long after this Super Bowl is over, real fans will remember the '08 Patriots in the same way that baseball fans regard the 1919 White Sox. And don't discount my "Patriot fanhood"; I was a HUGE fan when they were the BOSTON Patriots and a fellow named Nance was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And until about 2 days after the Pats-Jets game this season, I admired coach Belichick more than any other in the game. Man, remember when all the talking heads were quivering over Mike Vick, and how unstoppable he was? Coach B. calmly had his players execute a flawless plan to contain that WMD--just as he had done against every other NFL Team. I thought "This guy is the Shizz-It!"
Not in the hearts and minds of the players, organization, and fans. And that's all that really counts. Who really cares what you and other non-Patriot fans think?
Just go 19-0 baby and let the celebration begin!!
Alas, he cheated, and I'm not afraid to admit it when my heroes prove to have feet of clay.
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11 Jan 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydFirst of all comparing spygate to the Black Sox is a joke. You're talking about a group of players that took money to throw the entire World Series. How does this even remotely compare to video taping the defensive signals of your opponent when teams have been trying to decipher and steal defensive signals for a long time. That's why coaches disguise the signals in the first place.
You're right about one thing: the fans are what counts. The fans of professional football--not the near-sighted fans of the team-de-jour for 2008. Long after this Super Bowl is over, real fans will remember the '08 Patriots in the same way that baseball fans regard the 1919 White Sox. And don't discount my "Patriot fanhood"; I was a HUGE fan when they ...[text shortened]... s, he cheated, and I'm not afraid to admit it when my heroes prove to have feet of clay.
But you're right that what Belichik did was wrong and he was punished for it. We can debate the severity of the punishment of course but to compare it the Chicago Black Sox is just another example of how fans from other teams (so called "real football fans"😉 are trying to take this to an extreme.
If what Belichik did was as bad as what the Black Sox did or even Pete Rose then he would have been rightfully banned from the league. But the infraction was not nearly that severe.
11 Jan 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydYour so gellus of teh New England Greatriots!
You're right about one thing: the fans are what counts. The fans of professional football--not the near-sighted fans of the team-de-jour for 2008. Long after this Super Bowl is over, real fans will remember the '08 Patriots in the same way that baseball fans regard the 1919 White Sox. And don't discount my "Patriot fanhood"; I was a HUGE fan when they ...[text shortened]... s, he cheated, and I'm not afraid to admit it when my heroes prove to have feet of clay.
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14 Jan 08
Originally posted by UllrYou're right about the Sox being a bigger black eye--I grant you that. But the severity of the punishment IS the whole point. Some of us believe Coach B. SHOULD have been banned. (The noted Earl Campbell agrees 😀). But all this will be forgotten in 6 days, when the Chargers put an end to the whole debate by knocking off the mighty Patriot machine.
First of all comparing spygate to the Black Sox is a joke. You're talking about a group of players that took money to throw the entire World Series. How does this even remotely compare to video taping the defensive signals of your opponent when teams have been trying to decipher and steal defensive signals for a long time. That's why coaches disguise the sig ...[text shortened]... ave been rightfully banned from the league. But the infraction was not nearly that severe.
14 Jan 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydIf wishes were horses, you'd be a rancher.
You're right about the Sox being a bigger black eye--I grant you that. But the severity of the punishment IS the whole point. Some of us believe Coach B. SHOULD have been banned. (The noted Earl Campbell agrees 😀). But all this will be forgotten in 6 days, when the Chargers put an end to the whole debate by knocking off the mighty Patriot machine.
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14 Jan 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydI agree that the severity of the punishment is debatable. I think a suspension would have been warranted. With all due respect to Earl Cambell, a ban is way too harsh. There are players with worse infractions than this that have not come anywhere close to receiving a ban from the league.
You're right about the Sox being a bigger black eye--I grant you that. But the severity of the punishment IS the whole point. Some of us believe Coach B. SHOULD have been banned. (The noted Earl Campbell agrees 😀). But all this will be forgotten in 6 days, when the Chargers put an end to the whole debate by knocking off the mighty Patriot machine.
As far as you're prediction, hey anythings possible but if you had to bet your house straight up with no point spread on who is going to win that game I think you'd be irresponsible to make that bet on the Chargers.
14 Jan 08
This whole thing about SpyGate is just SOUR GRAPES. We know other teams were doing the same thing. Took an ex Patriot to expose it!? It was legal to have someone watching the signals just not taping them?
Why do you guys hate the Pats so much? This was before SpyGate so, don't blame that. Pats will be 19-0, that will give you guys something else to complain about.
24 Jan 08
Originally posted by ToekneeG"we know other teams do the same thing?"!! Is that the best you can do --defend a cheat by saying everybody else does it??
This whole thing about SpyGate is just SOUR GRAPES. We know other teams were doing the same thing. Took an ex Patriot to expose it!? It was legal to have someone watching the signals just not taping them?
Why do you guys hate the Pats so much? This was before SpyGate so, don't blame that. Pats will be 19-0, that will give you guys something else to complain about.
26 Jan 08
Originally posted by RamnedThat's strange, because I herd New England had doubled up the heating units on their side of the field for that game.
'Twas unfortunate the Chargers heat for their benches broke. Yeah, they BROKE. NOT TAMPERRED WITH I TELL YA! BROKE 🙄😲🙄😲🙄😲🙄
Very strange, I would think they would have checked BOTH sides!
Go figure.
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