14 Oct 07
Originally posted by trevor33LMFAO
was i the only irishman cheering for france?
watching france slaughter england will be something to look forward to next week 😀
well slaughtered hahahahahahahaha............next bring on the Argies.
Get the the champers ready lolololol
keep up the good work of jinxing the opposition trev rofl.
14 Oct 07
Originally posted by trevor33The French fullback showed no urgency at all.If he rushed to get the ball instead of loping ,he would of got the ball before that wicked bounce that sat straight up for the English winger.
ah yes the gods of the rugby ball bounce where not at all the blame for what was the most accurate kick in rugby history.
shear brilliance i can concur.
As the English have shown in the wins over Australia and now France they showed the urgency that is needed in these big games.
14 Oct 07
Originally posted by CrowleyWait for the Stellenbosch laws to come into effect.
I'd rather we play England in the final than any other of the top teams.
Why is this the argument everyone uses - "Well, ALL teams do it".
I know, the boks do it, Ritchie McCaw is a master at it etc. etc., but that's not the point.
Infringements should be penalised.
The English do it all the time, on every ball, but for some reason they don't get pena ...[text shortened]... teams - and if we go through, a WC final will always be tough, no matter who you play.
From scrums players must remain 5 metres until ball is out,not like now when they only have to be behind the no 8's feet.
No kicking out on the full from within your 22 metre line
Hands allowed in the ruck
Teams dont have to match up numbers in lineouts.
This is having a great effect in far less stoppages and more attack.
14 Oct 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyBro you are right... but you know, England have been rubbish since winning the cup 4 years back, even in this tournament they have look very poor, until the QF.
As for worst team to reach a final - well you can only play what is in front of you - we could yet be world champions for the next 4 yrs.
Thats all i am saying.
:'(
14 Oct 07
Originally posted by spurs73Mate we are in the final and there can only be one other team in that position. We were fantastic last night - passsion , heart and committment - brilliant stuff.
Bro you are right... but you know, England have been rubbish since winning the cup 4 years back, even in this tournament they have look very poor, until the QF.
Thats all i am saying.
:'(
Key issue in World Cups seems to be attention to defences and we have defended superbly in the last couple of games
Come on England!!
14 Oct 07
Originally posted by buffalobillYeah, pretty scrappy. Why the losing team always gets all pissy at the end is really irritating. Hell, at least lose with some dignity.
SA 37 - Arg 13
The dream ends. A scrappy game, but that's normal for any game with Argentina. So now we have the final two: Eng vs SA. This will be a different England to the one that lost 36-0 but one has to feel SA should be favourites.
England couldn't beat the boks, let's see if Wilkinson can beat us.
If the forwards are as lackluster in the loose in the final as they were tonight, England's forwards won't even have to resort to their spoiling tactics...
They definitely have our number in the front row department. CJ didn't look himself out there tonight.
15 Oct 07
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I admit all I wrote on Saturday night didn't make entire sense - 8hrs of drinking will do that!
Nonetheless - Eng knew Traille might well be a weakness - and the kick was sent down the line to force an error which is what it did - the bounce would not always be the same accepted - but that is what was played for.
This coming Sat I think I would be happier being SA then English - however I pray for over-confidence - (not arrogance) will be difficult not to be considering the last 3 meetings of the teams.
The things that give me heart - the SA scrum looked shaky - All but one of the tries came from Arg mistakes - Argentina made far too many mistakes to ever launch a serious challenge.
I am however slightly clutching at straws! One other thing in Eng favour - we have players who have one the WC (I know Os for SA but he is just one) this might help with the nerves.
Thoroughly looking forward to it.
15 Oct 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyWell, basically all tries in rugby come from mistakes, don't they? Be they in defense or when in possession of the ball.
The things that give me heart - the SA scrum looked shaky - All but one of the tries came from Arg mistakes - Argentina made far too many mistakes to ever launch a serious challenge.
Some tries are individual brilliance, but mostly tries come from defensive lapses etc.
Players will ALWAYS make mistakes, but the opposition still has to make it count...
The SA scrum is definitely not looking world-beating, but do the English have a scrum like Argentina? I can't remember us struggling against your scrum in the pool game, but Vickery didn't play.
15 Oct 07
I would not consider a missed tackle or a created overlap as a mistake when considering tries - however interception tries are another matter - 2 of which were scored - the handling errors made by Argentina was huge (I accept that the SA aggression etc will have had an effect on this)
As for the pool game no there did not seem to be a huge problem there re scrum - but self belief is an amazing thing - and in the last 2 weeks Eng have shunted both the Aussies and the French about in the scrum.
15 Oct 07
Originally posted by CrowleyThis is true - about mistakes.
Well, basically all tries in rugby come from mistakes, don't they? Be they in defense or when in possession of the ball.
Some tries are individual brilliance, but mostly tries come from defensive lapses etc.
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The SA scrum is definitely not looking world-beating, but do the English have a scrum like Argentina? I can't remember us struggling against your scrum in the pool game, but Vickery didn't play.
Penalties tend to come from mistakes too.
Discipline is key and 2 disciplined teams have reached the final.
SA have the ability to take advantage of mistakes because they think and run quickly.
The final will be closer than the pool game but there is nohiding the fact that Eng are slower thinkers and runners than SA. Sometimes I sometimes wonder why England have backs.
I reckon the final will be compelling but 23 -12 to SA 2 - 0 tries, would be my prediction based on what has gone on before.
15 Oct 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyIf you've been following SA rugby for the last couple of years, interceptions have become a regular feature of their rugby. I reckon from the rush defence and of course, some very quick players.
I would not consider a missed tackle or a created overlap as a mistake when considering tries - however interception tries are another matter - 2 of which were scored - the handling errors made by Argentina was huge (I accept that the SA aggression etc will have had an effect on this)
As for the pool game no there did not seem to be a huge problem ther ...[text shortened]... g - and in the last 2 weeks Eng have shunted both the Aussies and the French about in the scrum.
I wouldn't expect England to give away any, though.
15 Oct 07
Originally posted by invigorateTo be honest,I can't think of any tries England have scored from a backline move. The ones I can think of have all come from kicks. Can someone fill me in here?
This is true - about mistakes.
Penalties tend to come from mistakes too.
Discipline is key and 2 disciplined teams have reached the final.
SA have the ability to take advantage of mistakes because they think and run quickly.
The final will be closer than the pool game but there is nohiding the fact that Eng are slower thinkers and runners than S ...[text shortened]... ompelling but 23 -12 to SA 2 - 0 tries, would be my prediction based on what has gone on before.
I would go with your prediction - I reckon SA have the ability to score two tries while I wouldn't expect England to score any. That is, if the SA pack can hold up okay, otherwise we could see one from the forwards.
15 Oct 07
Originally posted by cantspellstill doesn't compensate for skill, speed, handling,
Mate we are in the final and there can only be one other team in that position. We were fantastic last night - passsion , heart and committment - brilliant stuff.
Key issue in World Cups seems to be attention to defences and we have defended superbly in the last couple of games
Come on England!!
i could go out and give full passion heart and commitment and i would still end up with 2 broken legs
these are professional players, if they didn't give passion, heart and commitment they shouldn't be on the team