Saint's win!!!!!!

Originally posted by spurs73
in true US of FREEKING A style- the race issue comes in!! was wondering how long that would take.

Now u know why most people in the world are sick of americans- this is a fine example of an A-ME-RIC-AN!!

For the record- it was a great 2nd half of football- both teams going for it with excellant offence. congrats to NO, and their coach for some super play calls.

Cannot judge all Americans by one American. Same for you Brits. Indeed the game was excellent, well played and the Colts got outplayed, outhustled and brought back down form the heights of the coronation on paper by a team that wanted the win way more badly and did not play like it was in the bag!

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Cannot judge all Americans by one American. Same for you Brits. Indeed the game was excellent, well played and the Colts got outplayed, outhustled and brought back down form the heights of the coronation on paper by a team that wanted the win way more badly and did not play like it was in the bag!

hi, scacchipazzo, i just watched the highlights and was really wondering what happened. it was not immediately perceptible what went on. Manning threw some beautiful passes, really unbelievable in fact, but it was not enough. Were the Colts really over confident? Please explain what happened, i cannot understand it myself nor do i know enough about the game to offer any technical explanations, perhaps there are none and its simply like you said, who was more hungry. I hope one day in this life to visit New Orleans, to go to the home of Paul Morphy which is apparently still there.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hi, scacchipazzo, i just watched the highlights and was really wondering what happened. it was not immediately perceptible what went on. Manning threw some beautiful passes, really unbelievable in fact, but it was not enough. Were the Colts really over confident? Please explain what happened, i cannot understand it myself nor do i know enough abo ...[text shortened]... his life to visit New Orleans, to go to the home of Paul Morphy which is apparently still there.

The way I see it, NO made the proper adjustments and Colts failed to do so. NO played a bend, but don't break defensive gem. The onside kick at start of second half was genius, pure genius. Colts were unprepared. Overconfident being up by ten they played really laisez faire. Notice the Colts failed to make a first down the entire second qt and not agin until late in the third. The goal line stand at end of second qt would have been a dagger had the Colts scored even three since that would have been a ten point swing. Where I watched the game everyone believed that it was a blowout in the making. I seemed to be the only one noticing that Colts were no longer as crisp as they had played the first qt. Allowing NO that field goal at end of 2nd qt was a mistake of huge proportions when coupled with the onside kick. Had Colts countered with their own onside kick after going up 17-13 it would have shifted momentum right back to them. Caldwell had no answer for Sean Payton's schemes. Indeed Caldwell looked dazed and confused. What was going on was not supposed to be taking place. Notice how NO took only what Colts D was giving and settled for the short routes. Colts never adjusted to the success of the short pass by NO because they seemed too afraid of the long ball. PLaying Freeney hurt was also a huge mistake. NO had no pressure on Brees and he sliced and diced them like Jambalaya ingredients. Lastly, if you notice in last qt Colts receivers were stopping routes short or not running these as crisply. Tracy Porter noticed and knew wht plays were Manning faves on third down, sat on a coverage knowing that pass would come at point of Wayne stopping and jumped the route. Voila! Pick six! I predicted the pick six and was scoffed at by fellow SB party attendees. It was not a bad pass by Manning. It was a great play by Porter.

Originally posted by spurs73
YES INDEED- i was having a pick at 'KIAPRICK' to be honest- his comments were 'strange'

The 1st half was slow- but that on-side kick just blow the game apart. gutsy call by the NO and will go down in superbowl legends

I'm glad to see you think kiaprick is what he is. Indeed his are the strangest comments I've seen on RHP in many, many moons. To express disappointment that NO folks failed to loot and riot is really cynically stupid.

Indeed that onside kick blew the thing wide open and made NO confident and Colts dolts. Whale of a game IMO! I won a bunch of bets because no one thought NO could pull it off!

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
The way I see it, NO made the proper adjustments and Colts failed to do so. NO played a bend, but don't break defensive gem. The onside kick at start of second half was genius, pure genius. Colts were unprepared. Overconfident being up by ten they played really laisez faire. Notice the Colts failed to make a first down the entire second qt and not agin by fellow SB party attendees. It was not a bad pass by Manning. It was a great play by Porter.

Here's an article by a well respected sports writer on the very subject:

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- If this is an oversimplification, please stop me. But less than 24 hours after the Indianapolis Colts' 31-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints in Super Bowl XLIV, I cannot shake this feeling:

The Saints played to win, and the Colts played not to lose.




And honestly, it felt like an extension of the way both teams approached the final weeks of the regular season, the way the Saints looked at perfection and said, "Let's go for it," and the Colts said, "Um, we have other goals, thank you very much, and if you don't like it, too bad."

When the big moments came Sunday, the Saints were willing to walk way out there on the tightrope with no safety net. They dared to be great. And even after a fourth-and-goal at the Colts 1 got stuffed, they still got their field goal, still got to go into the locker room with all the momentum.

Greatness requires the courage to take great risks. The Saints were willing to take them. The Colts were not. And after a virtually perfect season from Jim Caldwell and the Colts coaching staff, I thought Sean Payton and his people absolutely outcoached, outschemed and out-thought the Indianapolis contingent.

Two questions among the many that will haunt Indianapolis fans:

» Why did they go conservative on that final drive of the first half?

Can anybody ever remember the Colts taking possession with 1:49 and three timeouts remaining in the first half and trying to run out the clock? Yes, they took over the ball at the 1-yard line, but this is Peyton Manning, and these are the Colts, and nobody does it better, regardless of field position, in the final minutes of a half.

Strange.

"Based on the field position, certainly on third-and-1, we expected to get that," Manning said when asked about that three-and-out. "Had we gotten that first down, we were going to call a timeout and then go back to our two-minute offense, but Jim Caldwell told Tom (Moore) to try to get a first down, try to punch it out first. . . . We feel like you should convert that third down and we didn't. Then we gave them a short field and gave them the easy field goal. That was a disappointing series."

Again, too conservative -- and no, Manning didn't sound real thrilled with the decision, biting his lip with each syllable. Even if the Colts had gotten the first down, they would have had just 50 seconds to move the ball into field goal position. By then, it would have been too late.

» After converting on an earlier fourth-and-2 on a fourth-quarter drive while leading 17-16, the Colts had third-and-11 from the New Orleans 33. Manning threw deep to Austin Collie, an incompletion. Why not grab that yardage in two smaller chunks, or, at the very least, hit a shorter pass for 6, 7 yards and give Matt Stover something more palatable than a 51-yard field goal attempt?



Not conservative, but strange. Again.

Wouldn't you consider punting the Saints deep and playing some defense with a 17-16 lead instead of giving it to them on the 41-yard line?

A lot of coaching is understanding the moment. I felt the Colts and Caldwell failed to understand the moment back on Dec. 27, pulling their starters when they did. Sunday night, though, Payton understood the moment. His team had taken control of the game, outgaining the Colts 143 yards to 15 in the second quarter, and he needed to find a way to keep his team's momentum after the long halftime break.

He broke out the onside kick.

Nobody had ever done that before in a Super Bowl outside of the fourth quarter. Nobody.

"Our head coach is unbelievable," Saints quarterback Drew Brees said. "Not only as an offensive guru, a guy who is a great play-caller, an aggressive play-caller, a confident play-caller, but a guy who can instill all those things into a player."

Now, if Hank Baskett holds onto that ball, we're comparing it to Patriots coach Bill Belichick's fourth-down folly earlier in the season, but it was that one added possession, that one turnover (of sorts) that made all the difference.

Sometimes, you ditch the plan and seize the moment. The Colts didn't. The Saints did.

Funny and ironic: The team that wanted to protect its players from late-season injuries, the Colts, went into this game with Dwight Freeney and Jerraud Powers hurt and limited. The Saints, who went for it, were completely healthy. (Freeney, it should be noted, was hurt in the final minutes of a Jets game that was basically out of reach.) What it shows, ultimately, is that you can't manage health in this league. You play your people and you take your chances.

Now, there will be a lot of talk about Manning, as there always is, and I've never hesitated to be critical on the rare occasion it becomes necessary. (And yes, he should have congratulated the Saints at midfield.) But it is utter folly to drop this loss on Manning, who played more than well enough to win his team's second Super Bowl.

The Colts had just eight possessions (the Saints nine), and Indy scored or had a chance to score on four of them. Another drive ended on downs at game's end. It was shocking to hear NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders claim that Manning "choked" on that game-clinching interception; clearly, there's something deeper there with Sanders that we don't quite understand.

I'm not sure if Reggie Wayne cut off his route, or if Manning made a poor decision, or if Tracy Porter just make a championship play, but a "choke?" Cris Carter and Steve Young were quick to say Wayne bore most of the blame.

The Colts defense lost this game, allowing Brees to complete 32-of-39 passes. The Colts special teams lost this game, giving up the onside kick, losing the field-position game badly.

After the game, Payton walked into the interview room with a giant silver bauble. As he spoke for more than 20 minutes, his right hand never stopped stroking the Lombardi Trophy.

Yes, this was New Orleans' championship, a hard-won title for a city that deserved a happy story.

Yes, this was Brees' title, and it couldn't happen to a more honorable guy and a better football player. As he said after the game, "Are you kidding me? Four years ago, whoever thought this would be happening?" he wondered. "Eighty-five percent of the city was under water. People were evacuating to places all over the country. Most people left not knowing if New Orleans would ever come back, or if the organization would ever come back."

But Payton, one of the game's great young coaches, made this happen. It was Payton and his go-for-broke philosophy. The fourth-and-1 didn't work, not initially, but he got his field goal eventually. Then there was the onside kick. And the successful challenge on the two-point conversion.

All season, the Saints had the courage to chase immortality. The Colts thought they were smarter than all that. With the big trophy on the line, the team who played to win -- and not the one who played NOT to lose -- walked away with the hardware.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Here's an article by a well respected sports writer on the very subject:

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- If this is an oversimplification, please stop me. But less than 24 hours after the Indianapolis Colts' 31-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints in Super Bowl XLIV, I cannot shake this feeling:

The Saints played to win, and the Colts played not to lose.
...[text shortened]... played NOT to lose -- walked away with the hardware.

quite insightful, thanks for posting scacchipazzo, i understood perhaps 60% but it was interesting never the less.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
quite insightful, thanks for posting scacchipazzo, i understood perhaps 60% but it was interesting never the less.

You're very welcome. Even growing up with football the intricacies are difficult and complex. Same for soccer for most Yanks. Try explaining offsides to a Yank!