22 Oct 08
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Originally posted by shortcircuitWe shall see. Titans play Steelers in week 16. But let me ask you this, who has Pittsburgh played? Again they have played NOONE just like the Titans. They have played Houston, Cleveland, Philly, Baltimore, Jacksonville, and Cinci compared to the Titans playing Jacksonville, Cinci, Houston, Minnesota, Baltimore, and Kansas City. The combined record of the Steelers opponents is 13-24 compared to the combined record of the Titans opponents at 12-26. So really they have played a similar array of opponents. And the Steelers by far play in a much WEAKER division than the Titans. The combined record of the AFC North is 10-15 with half of those wins being the Steelers compared to the AFC South's 14-10 with 6 of those being the Titans.
I think Pittsburgh is a much better team than Tennessee. I think the Colts are better as well, although they are very banged up right now which bodes well for the upcoming matchup. I even think the Brady-less Patriots are at least equivilent to the Titans. Echoing my earlier statement, who have they played?
22 Oct 08
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The Titans are 11th in PPG, 21st in YPG, 26th in Passing YPG, and 4th in Rushing YPG compared to the Steelers 13th in PPG, 25th in YPG, 21st in Passing YPG, and 18th in Rushing YPG. Seems to me like the Titans offense overall is more effective than the Steelers. And let me see, the weakest part of the Steelers team is their O-line. Their O-line will get crushed by the Titans D-line. And the Titans have an amazing O-line who I think will stand their own against the Steelers D-line. Seems to me like the Titans are gonna win the battle in the trenches everytime. Oh and the Titans have scored 149 points compared to the Steelers 141 and they've only allowed 66 compared to the Steelers 89.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderOne other thing, since when does the strength of a team's schedule determine how good the teams is? The Patriots in recent years(INCLUDING LAST YEAR) played in the weakest division in football. So how is it they are such a GREAT team when they were BEATING UP opponents in a weak division. Not to mention every single one of their Super Bowl wins was by a field goal or less. Granted a win is a win, but if they were so great shouldn't they have won by a bigger margin?
You're PPG average is inflated by playing a creampuff schedule; in their two games against .500 teams, the Titans managed only 30 points total. The offense is a mere 21st in yards and the Kerry Collins led passing game is 26th. The league average per game is 22.5 so having slightly above the league average against .316 competition isn't very impressive. ...[text shortened]... ans might have a good shot at home field but that takes you only so far in the playoffs.
22 Oct 08
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Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverThe Patriot schedule last year included Dallas, Giants, Washington, Indianpolis, Chargers and Pittsburgh, all playoff teams. The Titans have faced nothing like that. Luckily for their regular season, they won't this year though we'll see if the Colts start playing Monday (I know; the Titans will "crush" them).
One other thing, since when does the strength of a team's schedule determine how good the teams is? The Patriots in recent years(INCLUDING LAST YEAR) played in the weakest division in football. So how is it they are such a GREAT team when they were BEATING UP opponents in a weak division. Not to mention every single one of their Super Bowl wins was ...[text shortened]... Granted a win is a win, but if they were so great shouldn't they have won by a bigger margin?
I don't see this Titan team as much different then last year's which couldn't score in their playoff game against the Chargers. Expect the same, no matter how much homers like you crow about a good start built against weak opposition. BTW, your comment "Granted a win is a win, but if they were so great shouldn't they have won by a bigger margin?" would apply to the skin of the teeth victory over the Ravens by the "best team in football", wouldn't it?
The Steeler offense is better than the Titans, no matter what the early season stats say. Big Ben is a far better QB than either Kerry Collins (surely you can't think you can win a Super Bowl with him??? I saw him in a SB - it wasn't pretty) or Vince Young. And Parker when he returns is one of the best backs in the league. On offense, you don't have much that scares a good defensive team.
You really don't know very much about football. Every year there's a team that gets off to a great start against weak competition and their loudmouth fans start penciling in their mediocre players for enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. Then reality sets in. I haven't seen anything that convinces me that the Titans aren't a flash in the pan. To win the big one in this league you have to have at least a solid offense; they don't. I expect their weaknesses will be exposed soon enough.
You're right I misspoke, but any real football fan would know that the NFC North is composed of the traditional teams from the old NFC Central. Sorry fans under 15 don't remember that.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderYou can say what you will about how good a team is but when the stats prove that ANOTHER team is better you can't argue about that, not only the stats but the record also. I'm not saying Kerry Collins is a better QB then Big Ben but he has thrown for over 35,000 yards in his career, something Big Ben hasn't done and MAY never do. He probably will but you never know, Big Ben only had 1 REALLY good year and since then he hasn't proven he's an elite quarterback. And you keep talking about how WEAK the Titans schedule is and how they've faced nobody, well I repeat WHO HAVE THE STEELERS PLAYED?
The Patriot schedule last year included Dallas, Giants, Washington, Indianpolis, Chargers and Pittsburgh, all playoff teams. The Titans have faced nothing like that. Luckily for their regular season, they won't this year though we'll see if the Colts start playing Monday (I know; the Titans will "crush" them).
I don't see this Titan team ...[text shortened]... teams from the old NFC Central. Sorry fans under 15 don't remember that.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderWho says you have to have a solid offense? The 2002 Buccaneers didn't, but they had a GREAT defense. DEFENSE wins championships and the Titans certainly have top 3 if not the top defense.
The Patriot schedule last year included Dallas, Giants, Washington, Indianpolis, Chargers and Pittsburgh, all playoff teams. The Titans have faced nothing like that. Luckily for their regular season, they won't this year though we'll see if the Colts start playing Monday (I know; the Titans will "crush" them).
I don't see this Titan team ...[text shortened]... teams from the old NFC Central. Sorry fans under 15 don't remember that.
22 Oct 08
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Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverI would barely rank the Titan defense in the Top 10. Wait until you play a team with a good offense; you haven't seen one yet.
Who says you have to have a solid offense? The 2002 Buccaneers didn't, but they had a GREAT defense. DEFENSE wins championships and the Titans certainly have top 3 if not the top defense.
The 2002 Bucs couldn't run, but Brad Johnson had a QB rating of 92.3 and threw 22 TDs and only 6 INTs. Your QB numbers are a joke compared to that. The Bucs didn't turn the ball over and could move it through the air; your QBs can't consistently. And before racking up a bunch of yards against the Chiefs, your running game wasn't getting 4.0 a carry; the Ravens stuffed it for only 47 yards on 22 carries.
All the early numbers are inflated by playing the easiest schedule in the league. It will get tougher, though their overall schedule is pretty lame if the Colts keep playing terrible. They'll make the playoffs but don't be surprised when they can't score there AGAIN.
The Steelers really haven't been tested this year much either, but a lot of their players have something that few Titans have: a Super Bowl ring. When your gals get one of those, you can talk some smack but ranting about how great a team is when they're 6-0 after having played the easiest schedule is a bit premature to say the least.
EDIT: To be fair, the Giants' opponents have a 12-27 record, so the Titans have played the 2nd weakest schedule.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderOk, well we will see come week 16 when the Steelers come to Nashville. The Steelers have a crappy O-line and the Titans have the best D-line in the league. Big Ben will be on the ground all day long. And how can you say they are not in the top ten when they are 3rd overall in total yards, 5th against the pass, and 8th against the run. They are also 3rd in sacks, 1st in touchdowns allowed, 1st in points allowed, 1st in PPG allowed, and 1st in interceptions.
I would barely rank the Titan defense in the Top 10. Wait until you play a team with a good offense; you haven't seen one yet.
The 2002 Bucs couldn't run, but Brad Johnson had a QB rating of 92.3 and threw 22 TDs and only 6 INTs. Your QB numbers are a joke compared to that. The Bucs didn't turn the ball over and could move it through the ...[text shortened]... s' opponents have a 12-27 record, so the Titans have played the 2nd weakest schedule.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverWhat part of "All the early numbers are inflated by playing the easiest schedule in the league", didn't you understand?
Ok, well we will see come week 16 when the Steelers come to Nashville. The Steelers have a crappy O-line and the Titans have the best D-line in the league. Big Ben will be on the ground all day long. And how can you say they are not in the top ten when they are 3rd overall in total yards, 5th against the pass, and 8th against the run. They are also ...[text shortened]... 1st in touchdowns allowed, 1st in points allowed, 1st in PPG allowed, and 1st in interceptions.
I'd say the Steelers and Ravens have better defenses in the AFC. I'd say the Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Bucs and Panthers defenses are better than the Titans also. So that leaves you 8th. Pretty good, but not good enough to win a Super Bowl absent substantially improved production from the offense.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderHow can you say all those teams have better defenses when the Titans when the Titans had the 5th best defense last year in terms of YPG. This year's defense is almost exactly the same as last year's with 10 of 11 starters still on the field. The only starter from last year missing is Travis LaBoy and we replaced him with Kearse, formerly known as THE FREAK when he was in Tennessee the beginning of his career. At worst I'd say that puts them at 5th, but seeing as how they lead so many categories I put them top 3. You can make a case that the Steelers have the best defense but the Titans is certainly just as good.
What part of "All the early numbers are inflated by playing the easiest schedule in the league", didn't you understand?
I'd say the Steelers and Ravens have better defenses in the AFC. I'd say the Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Bucs and Panthers defenses are better than the Titans also. So that leaves you 8th. Pretty good, but not good enough to win a Super Bowl absent substantially improved production from the offense.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauder
I'd say the Steelers and Ravens have better defenses in the AFC. I'd say the Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Bucs and Panthers defenses are better than the Titans also. So that leaves you 8th. Pretty good, but not good enough to win a Super Bowl absent substantially improved production from the offense.