Originally posted by @radioactive69While I think there is always opportunity for improvements to the clan feature,
Can't support you there Captain.
Lemondrop is as bad as Carrobie sandbagging his rating and being fed points by the sister clans. He should be the next to go.
I offered what could only be described as the fairest system that could be introduced in the site ideas forum. It would be fair, reward clans for small losses as opposed to bigger losses a ...[text shortened]... d. It is what it is and we all have to play by it so there's no point in getting upset about it.
I do believe that the biggest complaints of the clan system came from very few individuals that had an obsession with 1 or 2 clans in particular.
As we learned, making changes to any feature based on the unfounded grievances of a few individuals,
of which a couple are banned from clan play or site altogether, has not been proven to be productive by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think Russ has any appetite to revisit the clan feature any time soon.
If he changes his mind at any time, then we can all have an intelligent and respectful dialogue in the site ideas forum.
I certainly have some ideas, as do Radioactive, Moonbus and Padger among others.
No idea should be disrespected.
But concensus will be the main driver to any positive change.
Till then we have what we have.
Originally posted by @padgerSame as any sports league.
A 5 man challenge
5 - 5 = 5--5
6 - 4 = 10 -- -10
7 - 3 = 10 -- -10
8 - 2 = 10 -- -10
9 - 1 = 10 -- -10
What is fair about these results ??
It is not fair to the victor or the loser
If Manchester United beats Liverpool 1-0 or 10-0, they get the same 3 points.
That's life.
Originally posted by @mghrn55If that is the case then why would man u have a better goal difference than liverpool ?
Same as any sports league.
If Manchester United beats Liverpool 1-0 or 10-0, they get the same 3 points.
That's life.
You are deliberateley confusing match points with goal points or game points with challenge points
That's not life that is fair
Only on RHP is this considered fair
Originally posted by @padgerUnfortunately you are not grasping the most important fact here. It is impossible to set up a system that is totally fair to all given that some clans have 20 players and some have only 1. There are no set rounds that are played (a clan can play as many challenges as they want). Negative points are essential otherwise the largest clan playing the most challenges would end up the winners even if they only won 25% of their games. You are confusing this whole system with the clan league. I suggest you set up your clan to play in clan league challenges only.
If that is the case then why would man u have a better goal difference than liverpool ?
You are deliberateley confusing match points with goal points or game points with challenge points
That's not life that is fair
Only on RHP is this considered fair
Originally posted by @radioactive69If this the case then why is Lemon Drop in second place
Unfortunately you are not grasping the most important fact here. It is impossible to set up a system that is totally fair to all given that some clans have 20 players and some have only 1. There are no set rounds that are played (a clan can play as many challenges as they want). Negative points are essential otherwise the largest clan playing the most ...[text shortened]... tem with the clan league. I suggest you set up your clan to play in clan league challenges only.
One man clan playing lots of games has little or no negativity
So your argument does not stand up
Originally posted by @padgerBecause he wins a great majority of his challenges (through sandbagging and gift wins).
If this the case then why is Lemon Drop in second place
One man clan playing lots of games has little or no negativity
So your argument does not stand up
Honestly, do you really not get it. Surely you can see that if there was no negative points then it comes down purely to the clan that issues the most challenges. No skill, just pure bulk. Why don't you just concentrate on the clan league. Seems to be more what you're looking for.
Originally posted by @radioactive69That is exactly what Lemon Drop is doing
Because he wins a great majority of his challenges (through sandbagging and gift wins).
Honestly, do you really not get it. Surely you can see that if there was no negative points then it comes down purely to the clan that issues the most challenges. No skill, just pure bulk. Why don't you just concentrate on the clan league. Seems to be more what you're looking for.
He must have 100 more challenges than everyone else
It seems to me that if you continue to have a system that is not fair the best way forward is to have one man clans
The big clans will not be able to compete
Lets put this another way
If a big clan has a 10 man challenge and loses 11- 9
It will lose 20 points off of it's total
If Lemon Drop loses 1 challenge and draws 9 he loses 2 points off of his total
Now is that fair ?
That's why negative points will never work and big challenges will continue to diminish
Has they have done
Originally posted by @padgerWell maybe you should devise a new plan for the clan system, run it by Russ for approval, and when it's implemented or agreed upon we can all see how it goes and if it works.
Lets put this another way
If a big clan has a 10 man challenge and loses 11- 9
It will lose 20 points off of it's total
If Lemon Drop loses 1 challenge and draws 9 he loses 2 points off of his total
Now is that fair ?
That's why negative points will never work and big challenges will continue to diminish
Has they have done
Until then, we play by the current system. End of story.
Originally posted by @radioactive69No I have come up with another plan
Well maybe you should devise a new plan for the clan system, run it by Russ for approval, and when it's implemented or agreed upon we can all see how it goes and if it works.
Until then, we play by the current system. End of story.
Just play one man challenges
Originally posted by @radioactive69I am already leader of the Internationals
Then start a clan and do so.
Good luck
But that doesn't stop me from having one man challenges