Originally posted by MctaytoWe have already counted you in.
As long as your list has methods to prevent Metallica sandbagging and throwing games in won challenges then count me in 😉
We can pull up dozens of games that you have resigned from even and won positions.
And that refers to clans games against Easy Riders.
Now go sit in the corner !!
Originally posted by mghrn55Have you not read my suggestions ?
While the suggestions are well intentioned, they do not address challenges being thrown.
The focus has been on the perceived notion of sandbagging by certain individuals.
There has been no suggestions on how to deal with some clans throwing challenge points at other clans.
I offered something that has not been adopted to your list.
That being ...[text shortened]...
Sandbagging has become the poster child of grievance mongering by the malcontents on this site.
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games
Originally posted by padgerI like your suggestion of clans only getting points from other clans on the same page.
Have you not read my suggestions ?
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games
Originally posted by padgerI have.
Have you not read my suggestions ?
If clans can only get points from other clans on the same page it would stop collusion
If points were awarded properly ( rather than the stupid way they are now ) it would stop clans throwing games
That suggestion will stifle the number of challenges created.
I have stated at the outset at least 2 years ago that the clan system is an informal feature.
Attempts to change it with the suggestions put forth will completely change the feature to something else.
What do we want this to become ?
The change (200 rating point window) put in this year, which was a minor change from an IT perspective, has already altered the ease of use of this feature.
Any clan leader will tell you how difficult it is to set challenges now.
Shrinking this to 100 points will effectively shut down the feature.
Keeping this informal will simply require some sort of referee system to handle transgressions of the honor system that this feature runs on.
Site administration has to make that call.
Are they willing to spend the money required for the changes suggested ?
Or are they willing to use staff resources to penalize unsportsmanlike behavior by certain clans ?
They have a referee system in place on the forums as many members that have received a forum ban can attest to.
That's what it comes down to.
11 Nov 16
Originally posted by mghrn55I have no problem with the 100 point difference
I have.
That suggestion will stifle the number of challenges created.
I have stated at the outset at least 2 years ago that the clan system is an informal feature.
Attempts to change it with the suggestions put forth will completely change the feature to something else.
What do we want this to become ?
The change (200 rating point window) put ...[text shortened]... s as many members that have received a forum ban can attest to.
That's what it comes down to.
In fact I do it all the time and have had no trouble sorting challenges
As for it being a social thing
You only have to look at the posts to see this no longer the case
It has become a power thing
Who finishes the year at the top and has been for quite some time now
It just needs regulating
Originally posted by Johannes GoetheI like this suggestion
The idea of the same side is similar to the challenge in a ladder. I think a clan should challenge 10 Clans in his surrounding. When he is the top 10 under him. When he is 6th placed 5 above and 5 behind him and so on ...
basing clan challenges with rules similar to ladder games has merit
it would solve many of the problems with the clan system as it is now
edit: also eliminating the yearly clan ladder and having a continuous ladder similar to the ladder game structure
11 Nov 16
Originally posted by lemondropMaiden Gertrude,
I like this suggestion
basing clan challenges with rules similar to ladder games has merit
it would solve many of the problems with the clan system as it is now
edit: also eliminating the yearly clan ladder and having a continuous ladder similar to the ladder game structure
Personally, if not fixed I don't see the clan challenges lasting much longer. A lot of talk and suggestions, but no action being taken. It may die a slow death.
-VR
11 Nov 16
Originally posted by padgerThe underlying problem with the points difference system for challenge match ups is that it's based on current rating which is the one the sandbaggers can easily manipulate.
I have no problem with the 100 point difference
In fact I do it all the time and have had no trouble sorting challenges
As for it being a social thing
You only have to look at the posts to see this no longer the case
It has become a power thing
Who finishes the year at the top and has been for quite some time now
It just needs regulating
The current rating could be scrapped and replaced with a 3 month rating .Therefore your 3 month rating stays the same for 3 months and is then recalculated automatically by the system 4 times a year.
This should reduce the sandbagging effect.
The 200 points thing could be calculated on the 3 month rating.
Originally posted by vendaVenda,
The underlying problem with the points difference system for challenge match ups is that it's based on current rating which is the one the sandbaggers can easily manipulate.
The current rating could be scrapped and replaced with a 3 month rating .Therefore your 3 month rating [b]stays the same for 3 months and is then recalculated automatically by the sys ...[text shortened]... reduce the sandbagging effect.
The 200 points thing could be calculated on the 3 month rating.[/b]
As we have witnessed this year, it is very easy to manipulate the system. Look what "Easy Riders", Breaking bad, anti-metallica, and arrow have accomplished. The three last teams have been their feeders all year.
-VR
Originally posted by Very Rustyobviously we are hoping for a fix
Maiden Gertrude,
Personally, if not fixed I don't see the clan challenges lasting much longer. A lot of talk and suggestions, but no action being taken. It may die a slow death.
-VR
there doesn't have to be a massive overhaul
a little fix here
a little fix there
it can be done I think
Originally posted by lemondropMaiden Gertrude,
obviously we are hoping for a fix
there doesn't have to be a massive overhaul
a little fix here
a little fix there
it can be done I think
I hope you are right, but don't think a little fix here and there is going to do the trick. I believe there has to be a major over haul done. There have however been some very good suggestions which have been made, that could possibly work. Trick is trying to get everyone to agree and on the same page.
-VR
Originally posted by Very RustyTrouble is, when it is all said and done, I don't think Russ gives a rats ass about the clan system. The way the Sleazy Riders continues to load up clan challenges with their 3 sisters, I see their collusion going on through 2017 and beyond.
Maiden Gertrude,
I hope you are right, but don't think a little fix here and there is going to do the trick. I believe there has to be a major over haul done. There have however been some very good suggestions which have been made, that could possibly work. Trick is trying to get everyone to agree and on the same page.
-VR
Originally posted by my2sonsI agree with you. That is the reason I will not be re-newing my Subscription as nothing has been done. Far as I am concerned the clan challenges are ruined beyond repair with the inaction of the admins who run the site.
Trouble is, when it is all said and done, I don't think Russ gives a rats ass about the clan system. The way the Sleazy Riders continues to load up clan challenges with their 3 sisters, I see their collusion going on through 2017 and beyond.
-VR