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I stand corrected. However, it makes me think no better about rap. Comparing rap and jazz is simplynot possible musically.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
I stand corrected. However, it makes me think no better about rap. Comparing rap and jazz is simplynot possible musically.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You sure!?

What about the improvisational components of each musical style?

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Improv exists in all sorts of music. Jazz requires much greater skill then rap. To each his own. If you like rap stick with it. By far jazz is a better art form. I don't like rap, never will, find it mind numbing and mostly grotesque.

Comparing rap and jazz is simply not possible musically.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I know improvisation exists in lots of forms of music, but that doesn't answer my point. You said -

Comparing rap and jazz is simply not possible musically.

I'm telling you, it is. For instance i could compare the rhythmical motifs Max Roach used in his solo vocabulary from the late 1950's and compare it with rhythmical motifs used ...[text shortened]... with any jazz solo and any hip-hop 'prose'. To say you can't compare the two is ludicrous.

I don't care for rap either but I don't feel the need to talk about it - and other music - like a frothing teenage sports fan. Good grief.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Not ludicrous at all. What I'm stating is you can hardly compare a superior art form to an inferior one. If you get down to nuts and bolts anything can be compared side by side. Call me obtuse, but simply put I find nothing appealing in rap whereas there is hardly any jazz I find unappealing. About the only quasi-rap I find appealing is the ideal of spr ...[text shortened]... bussy; Parsifal, Wagner; Lulu, Berg. Otherwise, rap leaves me preferring nails on a chalkboard.

Comparing rap and jazz is simply not possible musically

What I'm stating is you can hardly compare a superior art form to an inferior one.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, but you appear to be changing your tune here. This is what you initially said

Comparing rap and jazz is simply not possible musically

When i pointed out that this is not true, you change to this

What I'm stating is you can hardly compare a superior art form to an inferior one.

Maybe you could explain to lso how you went about deciding where to put the two musical forms on your artistic spectrum.

He's gotta be kidding. Or naive.

Originally posted by badmoon
He's gotta be kidding. Or naive.

I enjoy bashing other people's musical taste, too, but you must do it with style. Perhaps you should try easier targets first, like Oasis fans.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Who's gotta be kidding? Me, the others? Naive about what? Can't just hit and run!

Originally posted by badmoon
This quote, " Jazz was never inner city at all and was never associated with drugs."

Jazz was absolutely ravaged with drugs in the 40s to early 60s. Trane, Miles, Art Pepper, Bird and many more.

And never "inner city", unless I don't understand your point where do you think it is usually played?

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
I meant in the sense of rap. Jazz actually began on the plantations, took a European detour then remorphed into what we know it as today. Perhaps where I went wrong is in conjuring up an image of saggy panted jazzists playing in the ghetto and rejected such an image. Plus I already stated I stand corrected. I also made the association statment as meanin ...[text shortened]... average listener whereas rap openly glorifies drugs, rape, criminality, domestic violence, etc.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
There is no such thing as "the lyrics of rap" any more than "the lyrics of rock".