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Well, what's your predictions for the UK general elections?

My prediction is a close call between the blues and the reds.

But, what I am hoping for is a sharp interest in the Greens and a sudden spike in their seated numbers....

It's a bit more interesting this year, with Foodbanks becoming part of society the mood feels ready for change.

What do you think?

I am not supposed to have a political opinion at work, so it's hard to talk about it there. More of a nod to my left then a comment from me in the office!

Some links of interest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62064552
https://london.greenparty.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2024/04/Full-Manifesto.pdf

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I think the tories are going to get a proper clobbering.

The country’s a shambles because of their 14 years or so of mismanagement.

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@yo-its-me said
Well, what's your predictions for the UK general elections?

My prediction is a close call between the blues and the reds.

But, what I am hoping for is a sharp interest in the Greens and a sudden spike in their seated numbers....

It's a bit more interesting this year, with Foodbanks becoming part of society the mood feels ready for change.

What do you think?

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https://london.greenparty.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2024/04/Full-Manifesto.pdf
What or who determines the date of the UK general elections?

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@Suzianne said
What or who determines the date of the UK general elections?
Whenever the Prime minister feels it's the right time, they can ask for one. But there are other rules, it's not so simple as I've said it.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/

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@yo-its-me said
Well, what's your predictions for the UK general elections?

My prediction is a close call between the blues and the reds.

But, what I am hoping for is a sharp interest in the Greens and a sudden spike in their seated numbers....

It's a bit more interesting this year, with Foodbanks becoming part of society the mood feels ready for change.

What do you think?

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https://london.greenparty.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2024/04/Full-Manifesto.pdf
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll say it's about time that labour made big gains

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Doesn’t 4th July sort of collide with Scottish school holidays?

If so, then it’s a very dubious date to hold the vote…

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7 pages of Labour “non battleground” seats.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Remaining-seats-to-be-selected.pdf

No point in national polls when they aren’t going to even represent in over 200 constituencies.
It’s all going to come down to the marginals and I bet the opinion polls are tighter in the pool of contested seats.

The problem with Labour isn’t that they haven’t moved away from the loony-left unilateral disarmament pro-Hamas antisemitic Trotskyite days of Corbyn, it’s that Starmer isn’t a credible enough leader for many of the swing voters in these marginal seats. As with many on the left-far left, they have big ideals but tiny plans.

I like his No2 she’s a good speaker and talks some sense; Starmer is a mealy-mouthed waffler.

With inflation down to 2% and the economy looking stable it might be tighter than some think.

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll say it's about time that labour made big gains
Yes it certainly is. But they got such a drubbing at the last election that even though there’s been a bunch of Labour gains in by-elections the national swing back they require is huge. I think it’s going to be tight and come down to maybe 20 or so key seats. Deciding factors in those might be the way the Reform vote goes and wether Labour can convince enough LibDems to vote for them and not split the vote. Voting for Reform or LibDem is more or less a wasted protest vote anyway.

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4 Key election issues imo:

1) Economy. Despite the utter carnage of Liz Truss’ moon and half 7 weeks I don’t think voters will make their decision based on this. What are Labour going to do differently in the next Parliament to the Tories?

2) Health. Starmer has already said there will be NO significant increase in NHS spending. Draw a distinction between Labour and Conservative on this if you can.

3) Migration. Labour might pull some votes on this. I personally don’t believe Starmer’s to-do list on immigration will deliver the results he claims, but at least he has one. Sunak’s one point Rwanda plan might help as a longer term deterrent but he hasn’t done enough to pull together a cohesive strategy imo. And voters are getting very worried about illegal immigration.

4. Foreign policy. Tories are clear and strong on this one, but Starmer is already hopping from one foot to another as he’s losing votes in the marching-Muslim community over Gaza. But if he twitches on supporting Israel (strategically) all the Corbyn antisemite nightmares are going to come back to haunt him.

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@shavixmir said
Doesn’t 4th July sort of collide with Scottish school holidays?

If so, then it’s a very dubious date to hold the vote…
I don’t see how that makes a difference.

What’s significant is that the election date is about 5 weeks away. 5 weeks!

Sunak is gambling on the the economy looking better and that Labour aren’t ready enough for a burst campaign.

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@divegeester said
I don’t see how that makes a difference.

What’s significant is that the election date is about 5 weeks away. 5 weeks!

Sunak is gambling on the the economy looking better and that Labour aren’t ready enough for a burst campaign.
Well, because when the schools are on Summer holidays, lots of people go abroad on vacation. Which means they are less likely to go and vote (or arrange the matters).

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@shavixmir said
Well, because when the schools are on Summer holidays, lots of people go abroad on vacation. Which means they are less likely to go and vote (or arrange the matters).
Inconvenient for those who can’t be bothered to postal vote, but hardly a “dubious” move.

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@divegeester said
Inconvenient for those who can’t be bothered to postal vote, but hardly a “dubious” move.
It targets low-income people.

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@shavixmir said
It targets low-income people.
Do only low income people have kids in Scotland then?

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@divegeester said
Do only low income people have kids in Scotland then?
That is no way to be distilled from what I posted.

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