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@earl-of-trumps saidYeah... around 1600 AD...
you shouldn't have to reward the president to get him to do his job protecting America.
America's interest...? the border would have been closed to illegals LONG ago
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@shavixmir saidWhen you discuss the border with Shav, you are discussing with a person who believes that there should be no borders for any country. Please come up with a moniker we can assign to a person like that. Frankly, discussing with a guy who has said that all humans should get free housing might not be a productive idea. Can you imagine him and Marauder in the White House? Dependents feeding dependents wold be impossible, come to think of it.
Yeah... around 1600 AD...
Today, 47.2% of the population do not pay income taxes. Those two, Shav and Marauder, would only take a few days to get that number to 51%. So, 51% depending on the productive 49%. I would start a thread on that doomsday scenario, but they do not get that concept. Some would call them stupid, but I would never do that.
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@averagejoe1 saidYour brain is, once again, in full meltdown.
When you discuss the border with Shav, you are discussing with a person who believes that there should be no borders for any country. Please come up with a moniker we can assign to a person like that. Frankly, discussing with a guy who has said that all humans should get free housing might not be a productive idea. Can you imagine him and Marauder in the White House? Dep ...[text shortened]... scenario, but they do not get that concept. Some would call them stupid, but I would never do that.
Why don’t you have street borders? Town borders, state borders, all with check points and passport control?
You squirm because you can’t comprehend the larger picture of where the world is headed.
I’ve said everyone needs housing and that being housed is a right. I do not say housing should be free, but it has to be affordable to all, and that people who can’t afford housing should be housed until they can afford it.
It’s despicable thst society has people living on the streets. Psychiatric patients, poor families, whoever.
Do note that you say that gun ownership is a right, but healthcare and housing isn’t.
What sort of twisted fukking priorities are that?
@shavixmir saidYour error is in your definition of 'right'. A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. So there's no way a collection of corrugated iron, breeze blocks and glass is a 'right'. You have a right to acquire those materials but you have no right to demand them. You have the right to own the means of self defense but that doesn't mean others have to provide you with a gun.
Your brain is, once again, in full meltdown.
Why don’t you have street borders? Town borders, state borders, all with check points and passport control?
You squirm because you can’t comprehend the larger picture of where the world is headed.
I’ve said everyone needs housing and that being housed is a right. I do not say housing should be free, but it has to be afford ...[text shortened]... hip is a right, but healthcare and housing isn’t.
What sort of twisted fukking priorities are that?
It's not a question of priorities, it's a question of what is a right. No one is saying you must provide guns to people too poor to afford them.
So call public housing and state mandated healthcare what you like but there is no way you're going to twist it into being a 'right'.
You posted the UN human rights (which you hadn't bothered to read) and got your knuckles rapped before. Consider yourself as having received the ruler across the knuckles again.
A house is not a 'right'.
A gun is not a 'right'.
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@wajoma saidI simplified it for you morons.
Your error is in your definition of 'right'. A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. So there's no way a collection of corrugated iron, breeze blocks and glass is a 'right'. You have a right to acquire those materials but you have no right to demand them. You have the right to own the means of self defense but that doesn't mean others have to prov ...[text shortened]... received the ruler across the knuckles again.
A house is not a 'right'.
A gun is not a 'right'.
I’ve posted the relevant passages from the UN charter on human rights many times. Most countries have laws based on this.
You can look up the exact wording yourselves, without being obnoxiously obstruse.
@shavixmir saidThere is 100% nothing about a house being a 'right'. Even the UN as messed up as it is, is it not as messed up as you.
I simplified it for you morons.
I’ve posted the relevant passages from the UN charter on human rights many times. Most countries have laws based on this.
You can look up the exact wording yourselves, without being obnoxiously obstruse.
Edit: Now don't be dishonest pseud boy, in only just the last couple of posts you've tried to mash the two together as if they're one and the same.
shag brains is doody said:
"Do note that you say that gun ownership is a right, but healthcare and housing isn’t.
You have a right to acquire a gun, you have a right to acquire healthcare, you have a right to acquire a house, none of those says anything about others having to provide them.
@wajoma saidPerhaps you should do a little reading, instead of shytting from the gob.
There is 100% nothing about a house being a 'right'. Even the UN as messed up as it is, is it not as messed up as you.
Edit: Now don't be dishonest pseud boy, in only just the last couple of posts you've tried to mash the two together as if they're one and the same.
shag brains is doody said:
[i]"Do note that you say that gun ownership is a right, but healthcare an ...[text shortened]... ou have a right to acquire a house, none of those says anything about others having to provide them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG]
Sorry for the length of the link… damn… it’s just wikipedia…
The right to housing (occasionally right to shelter[1]) is the economic, social and cultural right to adequate housing and shelter. It is recognized in some national constitutions and in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.[2] The right to housing is regarded as a freestanding right in the International human rights law which was clearly in the 1991 General Comment on Adequate Housing by the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The aspect of the right to housing under ICESCR include: availability of services, infrastructure, material and facilities; legal security of tenure; habitability; accessibility; affordability; location and cultural adequacy.
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@shavixmir saidYes, yes he did.
Hey, did trump just say that congres shouldn’t pass a border bill?
Even conservative Mitt Romney called it "appalling".
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@happy-chappy saidDo some reading. Might I suggest some John Locke?
I believe that the only right we have is the right to vote and after that we must abide by the laws of government.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Any of his writings on Natural Rights is germane.
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@earl-of-trumps saidYet that's exactly what you would be doing by voting for Trump. He's actively squashing any solution so he can keep blaming Biden.
you shouldn't have to reward the president to get him to do his job protecting America.
America's interest...? the border would have been closed to illegals LONG ago
The would-be emperor has no clothes.
@shavixmir saidYou have a right to it, does not = it is a 'right'.
Perhaps you should do a little reading, instead of shytting from the gob.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG]
Sorry for the length of the link… damn… it’s just wikipedia…
The right to housing (occasionall ...[text shortened]... urity of tenure; habitability; accessibility; affordability; location and cultural adequacy.
There's only so much capacity for this talking down to your level.
You have a right to own the means of self protection. A gun is not a 'right'.
You have a right to housing. A house is not a right.
"...every citizen of Nigeria shall have the right to acquire and own immovable property anywhere in Nigeria..."
You have a right to acquire a gun, in Nigeria you have a right to acquire a house.
You know something else you have a right to shag doody pseud for brains? You have a right to a Maserati.
Edit: Wikipedia as a source is over.
Edit2; You copy the link, you bring it to a site that shortens URLs you then C/P the shortened link you your BS post.
Edit3: Just to really hammer this home you have a right to housing as much as you have a right to a Maserati. They're not saying anything. A 'right' is not a physical thing, it's the sovereignty to act example:
To live
To express oneself
To acquire property
To defend oneself
...it's not a piece of wood.
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@wajoma saidMoron.
You have a right to it, does not = it is a 'right'.
There's only so much capacity for this talking down to your level.
You have a right to own the means of self protection. A gun is not a 'right'.
You have a right to housing. A house is not a right.
[i]"...every citizen of Nigeria shall have the right to acquire and own immovable property anywhere in Nigeria..."[/i ...[text shortened]...
To live
To express oneself
To acquire property
To defend oneself
...it's not a piece of wood.