13 Nov 22
@metal-brain said"It is not fair and that is obvious. What about the students that paid their debt and are seeing people get relief they didn't"
It is not fair and that is obvious. What about the students that paid their debt and are seeing people get relief they didn't. I didn't like the 1.9 trillion stimulus bill either. 90% of it went to wealthy people.
Do you have a problem with government providing free education for all Americans? Are you too far to the right for that?
For people that aren't sociopaths it's not that obvious. You are basically saying getting rid of asbestos in building is unfair for all the people that got sick from it. That it is unfair for all who died of diabetes that insulin got invented
@no1marauder saidGuy A is not 'paying back' a loan. So we cannot compare the two. we can't.
Since you guys like simple minded analogies so much:
Guy A is scheduled to pay $100,000 in taxes over the next ten years. The government cuts his taxes by 20% saving him $20,000.
Guy B is scheduled to pay $100,000 in student loan debt payments over the next ten years. The government decides to forgive a portion of that debt saving him $20,000.
Describe how this would have different effects on A) Government revenue and B) Overall economic activity.
You might as well include Guy C in the scenario, who owes $100k in fines to govt. The govt reduces his debt to $80k.
So, the definition, the concept, the status of each 80K is different.
Guy A, paying his earned money to govt.
Guy B, paying govt money BACK to them. Whew.
Guy C, paying money to govt which is even different.
There are many sources of money, but you say the tuition money is altogether different. Why is it different?
As to economic activity, I guess it would be negatively affected, given our treasury shortage of which you speak. You do see the treasury is short $20K?
This is true double speak, you are reaching.
13 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidBecause education should be a human right.
No, that would be unfair to those who had to pay for their education according to the logic you just used in the first paragraph.
How you can write such blatantly self-contradictory nonsense is hard to fathom.
But anyway doing Thing A doesn't prevent one from doing Things B, C, D, etc.
You are just a moderate republican DINO. You are more like Average Joe than you will ever admit.
13 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidAnother point. Certainly you are aware that A is putting HIS money into the treasury, which money, follow me here, will be given right out to debtors like our student.
Guy A, paying his earned money to govt.
Guy B, paying govt money BACK to them. Whew.
Guy C, paying money to govt which is even different.
SO, when student does not pay it back, he in effect used the money of Guy A to further his life. Marauder?
13 Nov 22
@metal-brain saidHe is obviously educated, and surely has logic and rationale, common sense. Like my very post here. So, what is his game?? That feller is trying to stir us up and he is succeeding!
Because education should be a human right.
You are just a moderate republican DINO. You are more like Average Joe than you will ever admit.
13 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidWe're not talking about the $80,000 each winds up paying but the $20,000 they don't.
Guy A is not 'paying back' a loan. So we cannot compare the two. we can't.
You might as well include Guy C in the scenario, who owes $100k in fines to govt. The govt reduces his debt to $80k.
So, the definition, the concept, the status of each 80K is different.
Guy A, paying his earned money to govt.
Guy B, paying govt money BACK to them. Whew.
Guy C, payi ...[text shortened]... speak. You do see the treasury is short $20K?
This is true double speak, you are reaching.
It's the same thing in It's effect whether you right wingers understand and/or admit it or not.
13 Nov 22
@zahlanzi saidYou need to brush up on analogies. Marauder's, though fraught with nonsense above,. was darn good
"It is not fair and that is obvious. What about the students that paid their debt and are seeing people get relief they didn't"
For people that aren't sociopaths it's not that obvious. You are basically saying getting rid of asbestos in building is unfair for all the people that got sick from it. That it is unfair for all who died of diabetes that insulin got invented
@no1marauder saidwell, then, you are not very convincing about the 20k.
We're not talking about the $80,000 each winds up paying but the $20,000 they don't.
It's the same thing in It's effect whether you right wingers understand and/or admit it or not.
For example, Guy A gets to spend his (earned)$20k, buy a car. But can you tell me, is he part of a select group who don't have to pay the $20k? My neighbor may get the break, but I won't. An example of your incomplete reasoning.
Then, consider Guy B will buy a car, but it will be at the expense of Guy A, as I mention above ......govt simply GIVES him the money.
So this is my take on the $20k. Am I wrong?
13 Nov 22
I hope you all will enjoy this, Marauder's mind will answer it!!!!!
Three men checked into a hotel room and were charged $30 for which they paid $10 each. The next day, the manager realized that the men had been overcharged since the real price is $25 for the room. The manager gave the bellhop $5 to return to the three men. On the way to their room the bellhop decided to keep $2 for himself so he wouldn't have to make change. The bellhop gave $1 to each man. The three men had now paid $9 each, or a total of $27. This, plus the $2 the bellhop kept for himself, makes a total of $29. What happened to the other dollar?
13 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidJimmy Dore agrees with him. The court blocked student debt relief.
He is obviously educated, and surely has logic and rationale, common sense. Like my very post here. So, what is his game?? That feller is trying to stir us up and he is succeeding!
This will get no1 riled up.
https://rumble.com/v1tsqik-court-blocks-bidens-student-debt-relief-as-unconstitutional.html
13 Nov 22
@metal-brain saidHe will realize that we can’t afford it . Did you see where he says it is not much money? Problem with that reasoning, libs keep spending. He says it like, that will be it. Do you think Marauder just might get behind some new program, maybe a solar panel on every house. Only a few billion.
Jimmy Dore agrees with him. The court blocked student debt relief.
This will get no1 riled up.
https://rumble.com/v1tsqik-court-blocks-bidens-student-debt-relief-as-unconstitutional.html
Naaa he ain’t no DINO, he is the real tamale.
14 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidIf Cuba can afford free education the USA can. Unless the national debt is too high, but if that is the case why aren't we being told it is a problem?
He will realize that we can’t afford it . Did you see where he says it is not much money? Problem with that reasoning, libs keep spending. He says it like, that will be it. Do you think Marauder just might get behind some new program, maybe a solar panel on every house. Only a few billion.
Naaa he ain’t no DINO, he is the real tamale.
14 Nov 22
@metal-brain saidThere's no such thing as 'free' in the way you abuse the word. You should use 'state funded' remembering that the state doesn't fund anything without taking it from someone else.
If Cuba can afford free education the USA can. Unless the national debt is too high, but if that is the case why aren't we being told it is a problem?
It would be 'free' if it were given free from force and threats of force. It does happen but the more the goobermint takes on the role the less people become free and the less they give freely.
The welfare state kills the noble virtue of genuine benevolence.
14 Nov 22
@metal-brain saidThis is stuff for another thread . Keep your eye on the sparrow, we have No1 cornered.
If Cuba can afford free education the USA can. Unless the national debt is too high, but if that is the case why aren't we being told it is a problem?
14 Nov 22
@wajoma saidIt always kills real Yale-like educations. Another thread-worthy subject.
There's no such thing as 'free' in the way you abuse the word. You should use 'state funded' remembering that the state doesn't fund anything without taking it from someone else.
It would be 'free' if it were given free from force and threats of force. It does happen but the more the goobermint takes on the role the less people become free and the less they give freely.
The welfare state kills the noble virtue of genuine benevolence.
What hell happened to Marauder? I don’t think they do street marches on Sunday.