22 Jul 08
Originally posted by WajomaProviding for domestic infrastructure and providing for people's basic needs to be met does not equate to bludgeoning people with any particular values.
It won't happen in our life time Barts, but it will happen one day because it is right and we have to believe that what is right will win out in the end. In the mean time it is a direction we need to start heading in, starting with a massive reduction in guvamint down to it's core responsibilities - police, justice, defence - only. People need to get used ...[text shortened]... dea that guvamint is not a tool to bludgeon their fellow man with their own particular values.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by smw6869The problem is that decent people would give and selfish people wouldn't.
If all taxes are eliminated we(all good Socialists/commies) will give voluntarily. Very simple. We don'i need the gov't to rip it out of our hands with mandatory taxes. You know nothing. Tee He!
GRANNY.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by shavixmirI think the point you're trying to make is that necessity can limit the effect that higher prices have on decreasing demand. I'm always going to have demand for food regardless of how expensive it gets, but my demand for computer games could easily decrease if they became more expensive.
More people trade more because it costs less.
Isn't it worth the exact same "hehe" then?
It seems you can't debunk the fact and feel the need to resort to amateurish insults.
The case I'm making is that "price" has little to do with trade. Necessity, for example, is a much more important influence.
In any case, this doesn't change the underlying point that higher prices tend to decrease demand. That, however, is not by itself reason to conclude that all taxes are invariably a bad thing.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by karnachzI'd be willing to bet decent people wouldn't give what the gov't wants them to give. The rest must be ripped from their fingers. Decent people would give and selfish people would take just like any Socialist system.
The problem is that decent people would give and selfish people wouldn't.
GRANNY.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by karnachzIt is when the person paying for the infrastructure has no use for it and may very well be totally opposed to it eg greenie bicyclist having to pay for a new motorway.
Providing for domestic infrastructure and providing for people's basic needs to be met does not equate to bludgeoning people with any particular values.
It is when the person paying for the basic needs is totally opposed to the needs being provided eg god botherers being forced to fund abortions,
The eg's are just two examples amongst many thousands.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by WajomaYeah but by your philosophy of user pays you only want to pay for the bit of tar your car tyres roll on. The infrastructure that puts that road there, or puts the bridge under that bit of tarred road, somehow seems to be something you dont really care too much about.
It is when the person paying for the infrastructure has no use for it and may very well be totally opposed to it eg greenie bicyclist having to pay for a new motorway.
It is when the person paying for the basic needs is totally opposed to the needs being provided eg god botherers being forced to fund abortions,
The eg's are just two examples amongst many thousands.
And I suppose thats our point of departure. I dont believe in your fantasy of independent action. The world is an interconnected place much like any cellular organism and what you or I do either singly or en masse as a group affects the way other people are left to cope. Thats not enlightened, thats just logical.
23 Jul 08
Originally posted by kmax87Yes and there are some parasites making a connection with me that connection needs to be severed.
Yeah but by your philosophy of user pays you only want to pay for the bit of tar your car tyres roll on. The infrastructure that puts that road there, or puts the bridge under that bit of tarred road, somehow seems to be something you dont really care too much about.
And I suppose thats our point of departure. I dont believe in your fantasy of independent ...[text shortened]... group affects the way other people are left to cope. Thats not enlightened, thats just logical.
24 Jul 08
Originally posted by WajomaYou can waste a lot of your time going after something that is as natural and inevitable as night and day. Just look at the animal kingdom. The powerful animals don't bother ridding themselves of their parasites, they simply get on with what they do best. End of story.
Yes and there are some parasites making a connection with me that connection needs to be severed.
24 Jul 08
Originally posted by kmax87Again with the negative kmax view of humans. Yes humans are as hopeless as the dumb beasts roaming around driven by nothing but instinct, so dumb that we need other dumb beasts to run our lives for us.
You can waste a lot of your time going after something that is as natural and inevitable as night and day. Just look at the animal kingdom. The powerful animals don't bother ridding themselves of their parasites, they simply get on with what they do best. End of story.
24 Jul 08
Originally posted by WajomaThe fact that we dont live in an Utopia yet suggests that there are weak and strong, doers amd passengers. If you find that overly negative then I dont know if I could fully appreciate the fantastical world you inhabit.
Again with the negative kmax view of humans. Yes humans are as hopeless as the dumb beasts roaming around driven by nothing but instinct, so dumb that we need other dumb beasts to run our lives for us.
24 Jul 08
Originally posted by WajomaHumans are dumb beasts roaming around driven by nothing but instinct.
Again with the negative kmax view of humans. Yes humans are as hopeless as the dumb beasts roaming around driven by nothing but instinct, so dumb that we need other dumb beasts to run our lives for us.