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10 Jun 06
10 Jun 06
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Originally posted by NargagunaWell, catamites are children, and sodomites are not necessarily so. That's really the only difference. Both have all the rights any other human has if we're going to use the philosophical concept of "rights". I'm more of a utilitarian than someone into "rights" though I think the "rights" concept works out pretty well.
Do catamites have the same rights as sodomites?
11 Jun 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThank you for the information. Perhaps you can also explain why catamites and sodomites call themselves 'gay' when, in fact, many do not appear to be happy and joyful, or gay in the ordinarily accepted meaning of the word.
Well, catamites are children, and sodomites are not necessarily so. That's really the only difference. Both have all the rights any other human has if we're going to use the philosophical concept of "rights". I'm more of a utilitarian than someone into "rights" though I think the "rights" concept works out pretty well.
11 Jun 06
Originally posted by NargagunaSome people believe that "gay" is an an acronym for "good as you." This is a nice theory, but without foundation. "Gay" has had many different meanings in the past. It was used as a synonym for happy by Chaucer in the 14th century. By 1637, it took on the meaning of a person leading a loose and immoral life. By 1825, it was sometimes used to refer to female hookers. By the late 19th century, it meant to be in good health or to be convalescent. A "gay house" was a brothel. "Gay" was first used to refer to a male homosexual in the 1933 play "Young & Evil." Cary Grant used it in the 1938 movie "Bringing up Baby" to refer to a transvestite. Gershn Legman & G.V. Henry mentioned the term in their book Sexual Variations (1941). In recent years, it has been used to refer to lesbians as well as homosexual males.
Thank you for the information. Perhaps you can also explain why catamites and sodomites call themselves 'gay' when, in fact, many do not appear to be happy and joyful, or gay in the ordinarily accepted meaning of the word.
http://www.funtrivia.com/ask.cfm?action=details&qnid=45012
11 Jun 06
Originally posted by NargagunaGay is not accepted as meaning "happy". It has changed, in much the same way as "let" now means the opposite of what it used to mean. Language evolves and moves on.
Thank you for the information. Perhaps you can also explain why catamites and sodomites call themselves 'gay' when, in fact, many do not appear to be happy and joyful, or gay in the ordinarily accepted meaning of the word.
11 Jun 06
Originally posted by WheelyBut it still connotes 'light-hearted' to a normal English-speaking person does it not?
Gay is not accepted as meaning "happy". It has changed, in much the same way as "let" now means the opposite of what it used to mean. Language evolves and moves on.
11 Jun 06
Originally posted by NargagunaNot any more Nargaguna, no. I think it still keeps the old definition in the dictionary along with the newer one but I've not heard anybody use it to mean "happy" or light hearted since Larry Grayson and even he was using it as humour.
But it still connotes 'light-hearted' to a normal English-speaking person does it not?