08 Nov 05
Originally posted by telerionWait a minute...
Until abortion became legal, women in the US struggled on the black market for abortions, suffering tremendous risk to their bodies. Now abortion is legal, however it is so heavily regulated that it has distorted the abortion market.
I say let the market decide. There is a demand for abortions and willing suppliers. Low cost, safe abortions that could ...[text shortened]... ly beneficial trade is being restricted. Government is a leviathan! Free market = free people!
Isn't the market run by greedy gamblers with no concern for anything but their own profits???
Surely that can't be good for the quality of the abortions as they will all make cut backs to get more money!
"Why use sterile equipment, market research shows that the average woman only has one abortion in her life? So, any complications...well that will just make more money as she has to be carted off to the privitised health system we have shares in as well. It won't damage our abortion product."
"Trained employees cost too much. We can give crash courses to unemployed people and get them up and working within a month. This will also cut back on unemployment benefit, leaving the country more money to invest in weapons...of which we also have shares."
"We'll give women a 10% discount if we're then allowed to use the removed embryo for research possiblities."
Mhmmmm...yes...it sounds like a bloody plan to me!
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmirI imagine that if the abortion market were free of goverment tyranny, then there would arise a diversification of quality. You'd have more expensive, high-end places with safe clean instruments and certified doctors, and cheap shops with pliers and butter knives and a guy who sells Amway on the side. This is good. We don't need a government monitoring these American businesses. If a company is sterilizing women due to negligence, then they'll go out of business. Besides if any one is sterilized its the poor people who breed to much anyway. The kids would grow up to be criminals. It's been proven: abortion prevents crime. This is the dream that brought the Pilgrims over on the Mayflower. This is the industry that made America the greatest nation on the face of the earth.
Wait a minute...
Isn't the market run by greedy gamblers with no concern for anything but their own profits???
Surely that can't be good for the quality of the abortions as they will all make cut backs to get more money!
"Why use sterile equipment, market research shows that the average woman only has one abortion in her life? So, any complicatio ...[text shortened]... moved embryo for research possiblities."
Mhmmmm...yes...it sounds like a bloody plan to me!
The market is God! Are you smarter than God? Let the market decide!
Free market = utopia
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by telerionTelerion, I'm afraid you've gone "bye bye". We welcome your return though.
I imagine that if the abortion market were free of goverment tyranny, then there would arise a diversification of quality. You'd have more expensive, high-end places with safe clean instruments and certified doctors, and cheap shops with pliers and butter knives and a guy who sells Amway on the side. This is good. We don't need a government monitoring ...[text shortened]...
The market is God! Are you smarter than God? Let the market decide!
Free market = utopia
What the hell are they teaching you at UVA anyway?
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by telerionI thought I just heard a rocket launch, and I was right.
I imagine that if the abortion market were free of goverment tyranny, then there would arise a diversification of quality. You'd have more expensive, high-end places with safe clean instruments and certified doctors, and cheap shops with pliers and butter knives and a guy who sells Amway on the side. This is good. We don't need a government monitoring ...[text shortened]...
The market is God! Are you smarter than God? Let the market decide!
Free market = utopia
You've propelled yourself out of reality and into space.
Hand on a mo, I'll try to send you a life-line...
Nope sorry. Goodbbbbbyyyyyyeeeeeeeeee....
"Ground control to Major Tom...."
09 Nov 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirOh please people. You don't really think I believe this crap do you???
I thought I just heard a rocket launch, and I was right.
You've propelled yourself out of reality and into space.
Hand on a mo, I'll try to send you a life-line...
Nope sorry. Goodbbbbbyyyyyyeeeeeeeeee....
"Ground control to Major Tom...."
Where's your faith?
Edit: See I'm part of the Lord's Army now. So watch out Satan!
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by Wajoma(shakes head)
Faith is a belief without proof or reason.
I knew it was a mistake to use sarcasm to make a point.
This whole bit was related to the minimum wage thread. Tell you what. Bring up some good journal articles on the subject, and we can read and discuss them reasonably.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by telerion(shakes head annnnnnddddddd sighs)
(shakes head)
I knew it was a mistake to use sarcasm to make a point.
This whole bit was related to the minimum wage thread. Tell you what. Bring up some good journal articles on the subject, and we can read and discuss them reasonably.
So if it's sarcasm, what is your point, a minimum wage for abortionists paid (in part) by people who vehemently oppose abortion?
Tell you what, state your point and we'll blow it out of the water.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by WajomaForget it Wajoma. When it comes to discussing economics, the following are true:
(shakes head annnnnnddddddd sighs)
So if it's sarcasm, what is your point, a minimum wage for abortionists paid (in part) by people who vehemently oppose abortion?
Tell you what, state your point and we'll blow it out of the water.
I can discuss with the ignorant.
I can discuss with the willful.
But with the willfuly ignorant, I refuse to waste my time.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by wibHe didn't learn that crap at UVA; he learned that crap in Washington state.....that's OK, 'cause I'll bring some conservatism and common sense to Seattle when I get stationed there next year....all is not lost...yet
Telerion, I'm afraid you've gone "bye bye". We welcome your return though.
What the hell are they teaching you at UVA anyway?
11 Nov 05
Originally posted by chancremechanic. . . but the crazy stuff I was spouting above is conservatism. It's just hardline libertarian conservatism. Milton Friedman. Chicago School. That mentality.
He didn't learn that crap at UVA; he learned that crap in Washington state.....that's OK, 'cause I'll bring some conservatism and common sense to Seattle when I get stationed there next year....all is not lost...yet
Since this has blown up in my face, getting a rise from the wrong people, I am forced to admit that I do not agree with the "free market is always good" idea. I have continually argued against it on the grounds that it is simplistic.
The hope was that those of the anti-abortionists here who also espouse "let the market decide" economics would recognize that they need to apply caveats to their statements. It is obvious empirical fact that a market exists for abortions. There is a great demand for them, as well as adequate supply of doctors to perform them. Those who argue that the government should outlaw the practice, restrict supply of abortions, or otherwise directly manipulate the price of abortion are arguing that in some cases the market should not always decide.
Guess I should have stated this at the beginning of the thread. I'm sure with just a little imagination, we can think of some other markets that perhaps should be restricted.
11 Nov 05
Originally posted by chancremechanicYou know if you stick around, you may be able to influence the next governorship. It was decided by fewer than 130 votes last time.
He didn't learn that crap at UVA; he learned that crap in Washington state.....that's OK, 'cause I'll bring some conservatism and common sense to Seattle when I get stationed there next year....all is not lost...yet