20 Mar 17
Originally posted by twhiteheadhe means that as opposed to what conservatism means in the US: anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minorities.
It seems a bit narrow minded to insist on 'liberal democracy'.
[b]Then there is Drumpf’s assault on international trade and cooperation. He is already threatening Mexico, China and now the EU. Who will be next? We can debate whether globalisation benefits people equally, but only a fool would deny that international trade is a global good.
I have ...[text shortened]... here that 'liberal democracy' and 'the global good' are in direct conflict. You can't have both.[/b]
obviously true conservatism and democracy aren't mutually exclusive
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by ZahlanziThere is fiscal conservatism. This can be stomached and there places where it works. However, don't bring social conservatism near me. Can't see the benefit.
he means that as opposed to what conservatism means in the US: anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minorities.
obviously true conservatism and democracy aren't mutually exclusive
20 Mar 17
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Originally posted by ZahlanziWhatever he means, it remains the case that 'liberal democracy' is not the only possible path to freedom nor is it necessarily the best.
he means that as opposed to what conservatism means in the US: anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minorities.
obviously true conservatism and democracy aren't mutually exclusive
And what is 'true conservatism'?
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by twhiteheadfiscal conservatism. small government, efficient government. meticulous social change. something like that.
Whatever he means, it remains the case that 'liberal democracy' is not the only possible path to freedom nor is it necessarily the best.
And what is 'true conservatism'?
fiscal conservatism doesn't mean low taxes for the rich and high taxes for the poor.
it certainly doesn't mean no social programs but huge military spending.
small government doesn't mean 1 guy in a room, total. it means that if you have 2 agencies doing the same thing, one has to disappear. both have to if they don't do anything.
meticulous social change doesn't mean that gays could get married the second they asked for it 40 years ago. but it certainly doesn't mean it takes 40 years to give them this right (that they are entitled to)
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by AshiitakaGermany doesn't control ECB policy. There hasn't even been a German head of the ECB yet. The ECB is an independent institution whose head is decided upon through the consensus of member states. It's looking like you are the very victim of the propaganda you deny exists.
Germany controls ECB policy. It's not propaganda. As the most powerful member Germany calls the shots. It's the rule of the world. He with the gold makes the rules.
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt's the means of the rich getting richer and the poor scoffing faeces and thanking the rich for the honor.
Whatever he means, it remains the case that 'liberal democracy' is not the only possible path to freedom nor is it necessarily the best.
And what is 'true conservatism'?
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe nationality of the head of the ECB means nothing! Germany, as the most powerful country in the EU, controls the ECB! It is not propaganda. It is the truth.
Germany doesn't control ECB policy. There hasn't even been a German head of the ECB yet. The ECB is an independent institution whose head is decided upon through the consensus of member states. It's looking like you are the very victim of the propaganda you deny exists.
It's not the worst thing. Better than any southern Europeans managing it (Greece lol!), and all the Nordic countries+ britain-finland had the sense not to adopt the euro.
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by AshiitakaWhether something is true or not is not deterministic of whether it is propaganda. You've made a claim that the European Central Bank is controlled by Germany. Can you provide an argument or some evidence to support that?
The nationality of the head of the ECB means nothing! Germany, as the most powerful country in the EU, controls the ECB! It is not propaganda. It is the truth.
It's not the worst thing. Better than any southern Europeans managing it (Greece lol!), and all the Nordic countries+ britain-finland had the sense not to adopt the euro.
20 Mar 17
Originally posted by AshiitakaThe EU is a decentralized and fairly weak institution that requires broad consensus for most of its decisions. Sure, Germany and France are more influential than, say, Malta, but if you think that Germany is calling the shots against the will of a majority of member states you simply don't understand how the EU works - your insistence otherwise notwithstanding.
The nationality of the head of the ECB means nothing! Germany, as the most powerful country in the EU, controls the ECB! It is not propaganda. It is the truth.
It's not the worst thing. Better than any southern Europeans managing it (Greece lol!), and all the Nordic countries+ britain-finland had the sense not to adopt the euro.
