23 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidThe virus mutates. The first generation of vaccines may or may not offer protection against third or later generations of the virus. We don’t know yet. It’s not about lying, it’s about revising in light of new data.
In other words they can change their story whenever it is convenient for them and you will accept it.
Here is what they are doing. They will maintain that the vaccines will protect from the delta variant to sell as many as they can. When that fails they will say the opposite and roll out another vaccine for everyone to take. Then they will make up (or manufacture) anot ...[text shortened]... You will be getting jabs every year for the rest of your life. It is good for business, bad for you.
Lying is what President Trump did when he knew in Feb 2020 that the virus was potentially devastating and he publicly said it would go away by Easter. That was lying.
23 Jun 21
@moonbus saidDoes the vaccine protect against the delta variant or not?
The virus mutates. The first generation of vaccines may or may not offer protection against third or later generations of the virus. We don’t know yet. It’s not about lying, it’s about revising in light of new data.
Lying is what President Trump did when he knew in Feb 2020 that the virus was potentially devastating and he publicly said it would go away by Easter. That was lying.
This is not a trick question. Either they know or they don't. If they don't know they are lying to you.
Don’t Be Confused — Contradiction Is a Warfare Tactic.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/18/fear-contagious.aspx
The theory behind the vaccine is that the shape of the virus is recognized and attacked. So unless the shape of the virus changes, the vaccine should be able to work. Of course getting sick and getting antibodies naturally would work as well.
Does having antibodies mean you will not get sick again? No, it just means you are less likely to get it and if you do get sick, you will not get as sick.
For a vast majority of people will it mean you will not get sick again? Of course.
The true message about this virus is not getting out there, if it were people would not be getting vaccinated.
The true message is build up your immune system and get some exercise. Take 5 IU of vitamin D everyday, make sure you are getting a good multivitamin. See your doctor and have your vitamin levels tested to see if you need to supplement more or supplement less.
Get moving for at least 30 minutes a day and make sure you are getting your fiber.
You know, practice healthy habits and unless you have some rare immunity issues covid is not an issue at all. You will have a better life while you are at it, win-win all the way around.
@metal-brain saidIt is not as simple as that, like knowing whether the light is on or off.
Does the vaccine protect against the delta variant or not?
This is not a trick question. Either they know or they don't. If they don't know they are lying to you.
Don’t Be Confused — Contradiction Is a Warfare Tactic.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/18/fear-contagious.aspx
Not knowing YET and issuing cautionary provisional statements, subject to review as more data come in, is not the same as lying.
23 Jun 21
@moonbus saidYou must be a born follower. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
It is not as simple as that, like knowing whether the light is on or off.
Not knowing YET and issuing cautionary provisional statements, subject to review as more data come in, is not the same as lying.
"Why Was a Disgraced Disease Modeler Relied on Yet Again?
In the U.S., Delta accounts for about 10% of cases and is doubling every two weeks, according to the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who spoke about the variant on a “Face the Nation” broadcast June 13, 2021.11,12
According to Gottlieb, Delta is likely to “spike a new epidemic heading into the fall.”13 Showing just how crazy a repeat this is, Gottlieb is again citing data from Neil Ferguson. Yahoo! News calls Ferguson a “prominent British epidemiologist” but in fact, the man is beyond untrustworthy and has been thoroughly — and publicly — disgraced."
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/23/covid-delta-variant-lockdowns.[WORD TOO LONG]
Israel says it's facing a new COVID-19 outbreak fueled by the Delta variant, despite having the world's most vaccinated population
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-seeing-new-covid-19-outbreak-despite-vaccine-success-2021-6?op=1
Either the vaccine protects you or it does not. Which is it?
26 Jun 21
@eladar saidWhere are you getting your info?
The theory behind the vaccine is that the shape of the virus is recognized and attacked. So unless the shape of the virus changes, the vaccine should be able to work. Of course getting sick and getting antibodies naturally would work as well.
Does having antibodies mean you will not get sick again? No, it just means you are less likely to get it and if you do get sick, y ...[text shortened]... s not an issue at all. You will have a better life while you are at it, win-win all the way around.
5 IUs is nothing. I take 2000 IUs a day on doctor's orders.
I'd like to see you even find a 5 IU pill.
@Metal-Brain
You are one pathetic cynical SOB. WE NEED EVERY VACCINE WE CAN GET you assswipe IDIOT.
Humans need 15 BILLION doses to stop this pandemic and we are nowhere NEAR that level of protection.
And all you can do is bitch about money.
THEY FUKKING DESERVE THE MONEY IF THEY SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES YOU PIECE OF WORTHLESS SHYTE.
@sonhouse saidWell, you certainly know how to repeat the lies of Big Pharm.
@Metal-Brain
You are one pathetic cynical SOB. WE NEED EVERY VACCINE WE CAN GET you assswipe IDIOT.
Humans need 15 BILLION doses to stop this pandemic and we are nowhere NEAR that level of protection.
And all you can do is bitch about money.
THEY FUKKING DESERVE THE MONEY IF THEY SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES YOU PIECE OF WORTHLESS SHYTE.
The pandemic will end on its own through natural mechanisms. We do not need the vaccine to stop this.
Did we need a vaccine to stop the Spanish Flu? How about the Hong Kong Flu? Viruses do their thing, they are a part of nature. Only those who have weak immune systems need worry about it, which is a very small part of the population.
If you want to protect those who need protecting, give the vax to the people who are at risk from covid.
27 Jun 21
@eladar said20 to 50 million people died worldwide because of the Spanish Flu; IF a vaccine had been available only a complete lunatic would have opposed it being used. https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic#section_13
Well, you certainly know how to repeat the lies of Big Pharm.
The pandemic will end on its own through natural mechanisms. We do not need the vaccine to stop this.
Did we need a vaccine to stop the Spanish Flu? How about the Hong Kong Flu? Viruses do their thing, they are a part of nature. Only those who have weak immune systems need worry about it, which is a very s ...[text shortened]... ou want to protect those who need protecting, give the vax to the people who are at risk from covid.
@eladar saidYou guys (all the conservatives, metal brain, Mott, Averagejoe, etc..) all sound like a bunch of communists.
Well, you certainly know how to repeat the lies of Big Pharm.
The pandemic will end on its own through natural mechanisms. We do not need the vaccine to stop this.
Did we need a vaccine to stop the Spanish Flu? How about the Hong Kong Flu? Viruses do their thing, they are a part of nature. Only those who have weak immune systems need worry about it, which is a very s ...[text shortened]... ou want to protect those who need protecting, give the vax to the people who are at risk from covid.
Railing against Big Business (the ideological centerpiece of the GOP, btw), and elites (they were called the bourgeois in 1917).
This stuff is right out of Karl Marx thinking.
Are you guys free-market, socialists or something in between ??
Where do you stand ??
Or is your perpetual battle about the social makeup of America going forward ?
Is my assessment dead on ??
That this is not about socio-economic warfare.
It is about a battle to determine whether America will be conservative or liberal going forward.
Stop yapping about vaccine scandals, pandemic lies, economic capitalism or socialism, racism and so on ......
Let's talk about what is making you guys tick.
Eladar is getting close here. putting up threads about homosexuality.
27 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidIn 2020, we had a lunatic proposing drinking bathroom cleanser.
20 to 50 million people died worldwide because of the Spanish Flu; IF a vaccine had been available only a complete lunatic would have opposed it being used. https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic#section_13
Progress, baby !! 😆
27 Jun 21
@mghrn55 saidSo allowing people to make their own decisions makes you a lunatic.
You guys (all the conservatives, metal brain, Mott, Averagejoe, etc..) all sound like a bunch of communists.
Railing against Big Business (the ideological centerpiece of the GOP, btw), and elites (they were called the bourgeois in 1917).
This stuff is right out of Karl Marx thinking.
Are you guys free-market, socialists or something in between ??
Where do you stand ?? ...[text shortened]... what is making you guys tick.
Eladar is getting close here. putting up threads about homosexuality.
Got it.