13 Jun 08
Originally posted by scherzoThat is incorrect; ALL people have and retain forever their inalienable Natural Rights no matter where they are. A just government accepts and recognizes this fact; a tyranny does not. ALL present governments are tyrannies in one way or another.
Plenty of people don't have rights. 😕
14 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterChecks and balances DSR; congress can't just pass any law it wants, it doesn't matter if the President signs it into law, it still has to pass constitutional muster, which Gitmo did not.
He didn't write the rules governing the terrorists held at GITMO, our Congress did, twice.
16 Jun 08
Originally posted by duecerUnfortunately, the irony for our guests at GITMO, or any future "detainees," is that they will just be shot in the field (my first choice!), or housed in the prisons of other countries where their chances of being mistreated are almost guaranteed.
Checks and balances DSR; congress can't just pass any law it wants, it doesn't matter if the President signs it into law, it still has to pass constitutional muster, which Gitmo did not.
16 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterBaloney. Those who have been released from Gitmo have almost invariably been set free by their home countries.
Unfortunately, the irony for our guests at GITMO, or any future "detainees," is that they will just be shot in the field (my first choice!), or housed in the prisons of other countries where their chances of being mistreated are almost guaranteed.
16 Jun 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou are either badly misinformed or a liar.
Baloney. Many can't be set free because they are such bad eggs, their home countries have refused to take them back.
I suggest this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22616052/page/2/
It makes clear that 1/3 of the remaining detainees are from Yemen and if they were released to that country, they would not be detained. Neither have the Gitmo prisoners who were released to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan been in any number.
17 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterthe drafters of the constitution said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." i don't see where it says there that only americans enjoy these rights. and i fail to understand how can morris say "people intent on destroying our society" when their guilt was not proven
It's still judicial overreach. The Judicial branch has no business overseeing military matters. There's no precedent for it because there's no provision for it in the Constitution. Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo who resigned in October, said, "I believe the drafters of the Constitution would be tur ...[text shortened]... raves to find out that people intent on destroying our society have constitutional rights."
18 Jun 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterMost people have been set free. What does that tell you about the accuracy of the CIA's information in apprehending "terrorists?" Let me make that conclusion for you in case you can't:
Baloney. Many can't be set free because they are such bad eggs, their home countries have refused to take them back.
MOST PEOPLE HELD IN GITMO ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
18 Jun 08
Originally posted by scherzoWah!...Wah!...Wah!...show me the proof.
Most people have been set free. What does that tell you about the accuracy of the CIA's information in apprehending "terrorists?" Let me make that conclusion for you in case you can't:
MOST PEOPLE HELD IN GITMO ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
GRANNY.
19 Jun 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe camp was set up in Cuba solely because the rights of the Constitution wouldn't technically have to apply. That's one of the horrid things about the prison. Just one of them.
the drafters of the constitution said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." i don't see where it says there that only americans enjoy these rights. and i fail to understand how can morris say "people intent on destroying our society" when their guilt was not proven
20 Jun 08
Originally posted by scherzoanyone labeled as enemy combatant can win a lot of time in the gitmo spa. who does the labeling? is it a lengthy process to decide a human being is not worthy of a trial or simply a US officer can send anyone there that has been caught buying bread from a bakery near a safehouse for terrorists?
Most people have been set free. What does that tell you about the accuracy of the CIA's information in apprehending "terrorists?" Let me make that conclusion for you in case you can't:
MOST PEOPLE HELD IN GITMO ARE NOT TERRORISTS.