“Pres and Vp AND all civil officers……shall be removed etc, etc,,,..,,”. This is the exact wording in the constitution.
The president and the vice president are clearly separated from civil officers. It does not say ‘….and OTHER civil officers”.
Y’all wrote and wrote and wrote about this matter a week or so ago when I could’ve cleared it up with this one paragraph. I hope it helps. The president is not a civil officer.
On another note, the Democrats are treating people as if they are guilty of a crime without being charged. This is what is happening to Trump. AOC says to invent the law to enforce on Donald Trump, but she says to let lawbreakers come into the country, and the way to solve the problem of their breaking. The law is to make them documented. So, you invent the Law to enforce on Donald Trump, but do not enforce an actual law against people who are breaking it. This is what is wrong with you people.
https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/briefs/2016Term/Ortiz160671AmicusCuriaeBriefNAMCAppGovDiv.pdf
"Plainly read, a “civil office” in 10 U.S.C. 973 is a duty relating to the general affairs of the public".
That obviously includes the president.
The 14th Amendment also states that those involved in insurrection can't hold "civil or military" offices. Since the president is "Commander in Chief" of the armed of forces, the insurrection clause definitely applies.
@averagejoe1 saidSo, you agree trump is guilty as fukk and now you’re trying to find wormholes to squeeze him through.
“Pres and Vp AND all civil officers……shall be removed etc, etc,,,..,,”. This is the exact wording in the constitution.
The president and the vice president are clearly separated from civil officers. It does not say ‘….and OTHER civil officers”.
Y’all wrote and wrote and wrote about this matter a week or so ago when I could’ve cleared it up with this one paragraph. I ...[text shortened]... not enforce an actual law against people who are breaking it. This is what is wrong with you people.
That’s gonna be hard. Ever seen the size of his arse?
@vivify saidHe was not charged with, nor has he been charged with, participating in an insurrection. And some Forum Members don't truck with members who misrepresent facts.
https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/briefs/2016Term/Ortiz160671AmicusCuriaeBriefNAMCAppGovDiv.pdf
"Plainly read, a “civil office” in 10 U.S.C. 973 is a duty relating to the general affairs of the public".
That obviously includes president.
The 14th Amendment also states that those involved in insurrection can't hold "civil or military" offices. Since the president is "Commander in Chief" of the armed of forces, the insurrection clause definitely applies.
Secondly, .you have grammatical errors,,,,,,'a civil office is a duty'.... What? Please explain what you meant to say. Just cannot deal......
And, what in the WORLD do you mean by 'that obviously includes president'. What does?
@averagejoe1 saidPost fixed to say "the" president.
He was not charged with, nor has he been charged with, participating in an insurrection. And some Forum Members don't truck with members who misrepresent facts.
Secondly, .you have grammatical errors,,,,,,'a civil office is a duty'.... What? Please explain what you meant to say. Just cannot deal......
And, what in the WORLD do you mean by 'that obviously includes president'. What does?
The 14th Amendment says no person can hold any office, "civil or military", who engaged in insurrection.
A civil office is any office dealing with affairs of the public, which obviously includes the president. The president is also the Commander-in-Chief of the military, which is yet another basis for barring Trump due to insurrection.
Trump doesn't need to be formally charged with insurrection in order to be banned from holding office; he only needs to be formally charged to receive prison time.
@vivify saidYou mention the act of insurrection when it does not apply to President Trump. Are you daft? So your first 2 paragraphs mean nothing. Nothing.
Post fixed to say "the" president.
The 14th Amendment says no person can hold any office, "civil or military", who engaged in insurrection.
A civil office is any office dealing with affairs of the public, which obviously includes the president. The president is also the Commander-in-Chief of the military, which is yet another basis for barring Trump due to insurrect ...[text shortened]... order to be banned from holding office; he only needs to be formally charged to receive prison time.
“He only needs to be formally charged to receive prison time”?!?!? Huh?
You have got to be the dumbest person on the forum, I think Suzanne bests you.
@AverageJoe1
This is too much . vivify says that because he is the commander-in-chief, that that is a basis to charge him with insurrection.
Unbelievable. The forum should vet people before they are allowed to post on the forum.
@AverageJoe1
I'lll give him another chance. Vivify....? Is the president a civil officer, given the quoted constitutional article that I mentioned above? (my original OP)
@averagejoe1 saidThe president, vice president and all the Cabinet are "officers of the United States" which is what the 14th Amendment says. Don't bring other sections into the discussion. The 14th Amendment also doesn't mention being charged or convicted. The 14th Amendment is also not an "invention".
“Pres and Vp AND all civil officers……shall be removed etc, etc,,,..,,”. This is the exact wording in the constitution.
The president and the vice president are clearly separated from civil officers. It does not say ‘….and OTHER civil officers”.
Y’all wrote and wrote and wrote about this matter a week or so ago when I could’ve cleared it up with this one paragraph. I ...[text shortened]... not enforce an actual law against people who are breaking it. This is what is wrong with you people.
@averagejoe1 saidYou are the only one in this forum to turn ignorance into your selling point.
You mention the act of insurrection when it does not apply to President Trump. Are you daft? So your first 2 paragraphs mean nothing. Nothing.
“He only needs to be formally charged to receive prison time”?!?!? Huh?
You have got to be the dumbest person on the forum, I think Suzanne bests you.
@averagejoe1 saidStop lying and learn to read.
@AverageJoe1
This is too much . vivify says that because he is the commander-in-chief, that that is a basis to charge him with insurrection.
Unbelievable. The forum should vet people before they are allowed to post on the forum.
@averagejoe1 saidCan you point me to the article in question, since I don't trust your lying ass?
@AverageJoe1
I'lll give him another chance. Vivify....? Is the president a civil officer, given the quoted constitutional article that I mentioned above? (my original OP)
@shavixmir saidhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_of_the_United_States
What the hell is a civil officer anyways?
Surely not the same as a civil servent?
Well… that clears that up.
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Only in America.
Just for clarity: in the rest of the developed world you have politicians (elected) and a civil service (unelected who carry on with duties of government… no matter who’s elected).
And politicians are therefore not civil servents.