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are NOT property rights fundamentalists?
Is there anyone here who simply wants to make a case for reducing the size and scope of government without it becoming an argument about how all taxation amounts to "theft"?
the only ones I can think of are Hugh Glass and sh76. And maybe Whodey 😛
30 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesGovernment is a non-profit organization that provides some useful services like police, defense, and the courts. Taxes are need to pay for those services. That's not theft.
are NOT property rights fundamentalists?
Is there anyone here who simply wants to make a case for reducing the size and scope of government without it becoming an argument about how all taxation amounts to "theft"?
the only ones I can think of are Hugh Glass and sh76. And maybe Whodey 😛
But if I was a supporter of a non-profit organization that was: a) running a massive deficit and refusing to consider reducing spending, and b) sending me notice after notice to send more money 'or else', then I think I'd be ready to say, 'time to change the board of directors.'
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Originally posted by MelanerpesThe way you state the question is dishonest.
are NOT property rights fundamentalists?
Is there anyone here who simply wants to make a case for reducing the size and scope of government without it becoming an argument about how all taxation amounts to "theft"?
the only ones I can think of are Hugh Glass and sh76. And maybe Whodey 😛
Are there any progressives in these forums who are NOT for taking other peoples property by force?
If you are even a bit sincere about debating communism you should have opened the thread as "As a good communist, I want to know if there are any of you conservatives who will agree that we commies know what is best for you. Are there any of you who disagree that we are indeed smarter than you?"
30 Jul 10
Originally posted by spruce112358What if most of the shareholders disagree?
Government is a non-profit organization that provides some useful services like police, defense, and the courts. Taxes are need to pay for those services. That's not theft.
But if I was a supporter of a non-profit organization that was: a) running a massive deficit and refusing to consider reducing spending, and b) sending me notice after notice to s ...[text shortened]... oney 'or else', then I think I'd be ready to say, 'time to change the board of directors.'
30 Jul 10
Originally posted by StarValleyWythe way you define Communism means that the great majority of Americans and Europeans are Communists. Fine. If you think we're all Communists, then I guess we're all Communists. But you won't find any of us carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
The way you state the question is dishonest.
Are there any progressives in these forums who are NOT for taking other peoples property by force?
If you are even a bit sincere about debating communism you should have opened the thread as "As a good communist, I want to know if there are any of you conservatives who will agree that we commies know what is best for you. Are there any of you who disagree that we are indeed smarter than you?"
30 Jul 10
Originally posted by Melanerpes'Cuz that ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
the way you define Communism means that the great majority of Americans and Europeans are Communists. Fine. If you think we're all Communists, then I guess we're all Communists. But you won't find any of us carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraSell your shares.
What if most of the shareholders disagree?
Do you see the difference, it's a thing called CHOICE. It's what makes humans humans, acting on our ability to reason, grass doesn't have a choice it just grows where it can, it doesn't know why, dumb beasts act on instinct. Humans have this thing sitting on our shoulders that distinguishes us from all the rest. The more choices that are taken from us and made by others reduces humans from what they are.
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Originally posted by MelanerpesEach Communist country has its own Chairman Mao. North Korea has Il whatever. Cuba has Castro. Venezuela has what's his face. Viet Nam has Ho Chi Min. Russia of course had Stalin, now Putin.
the way you define Communism means that the great majority of Americans and Europeans are Communists. Fine. If you think we're all Communists, then I guess we're all Communists. But you won't find any of us carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
As for Taxes, they are necessary to run the government. The government has the job of protecting the country, making laws the citizens live by and developing infrustruction. These things cost money. What conservatives wonder about is all the extra money the government needs to run all the other things that this governmetn does, but isn't what a government should be dong at all.
30 Jul 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesAre you saying that Mao isn't a good communist? He seems pretty average as a commie. I mean... he killed as many of his own as most commies do.
the way you define Communism means that the great majority of Americans and Europeans are Communists. Fine. If you think we're all Communists, then I guess we're all Communists. But you won't find any of us carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
Besides, who needs pictures of Mao when we have Che Guevara t-shirts and posters? Now THAT is a commie! He was such a hero. And he really didn't live to be old enough to become a "mass" murderer. A few thousands. Tens of thousands at the most. But - Oh! What a hero!