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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It's clear that you are angry. Have you considered taking responsibility for your own life rather than blaming the government for everything?

Kind of hard to take control of ones own life with big brother constantly digging in ones pockets.

Originally posted by joe beyser
Kind of hard to take control of ones own life with big brother constantly digging in ones pockets.

Wow. So because the government is taxing you, you don't have to take responsibility for anything anymore? Man up, sheesh.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Wow. So because the government is taxing you, you don't have to take responsibility for anything anymore? Man up, sheesh.

Whodey never said he does not take responsibility for his life.

For all the rights we may or may not have in this country, the one that is most important to me is the right to keeping my stuff. Through continual taxation and wasteful policies the government continuously infringes on this right.

Originally posted by quackquack
Whodey never said he does not take responsibility for his life.

For all the rights we may or may not have in this country, the one that is most important to me is the right to keeping my stuff. Through continual taxation and wasteful policies the government continuously infringes on this right.

Did the government ever confiscate any of your income or belongings?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Did the government ever confiscate any of your income or belongings?

Through continual taxation the government continually confiscates that which otherwise would be mine. I appreciate Whodey continual objection to our government's never ending desire to grow and send us the bill.

Originally posted by quackquack
Through continual taxation the government continually confiscates that which otherwise would be mine. I appreciate Whodey continual objection to our government's never ending desire to grow and send us the bill.

It's not a confiscation. It was never yours to begin with. You're espousing a view that can only be held consistently by an anarchist, which you are not. A life without taxation is easily within your grasp, but you don't want that. You want the government to be there when you need it. Guess what? If you want to be part of the system, you have to play by its rules. If you want to change the rules, there are rules on how to change the rules. Continuous crying that the government should only do what you want it to do, regardless of what others want from the government, makes you seem rather immature.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Did the government ever confiscate any of your income or belongings?

Every time the government takes away your income in the way of taxes the government is confiscating your income. In confiscating your income the government is confiscating anything you could have bought with that income.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It's not a confiscation. It was never yours to begin with. You're espousing a view that can only be held consistently by an anarchist, which you are not. A life without taxation is easily within your grasp, but you don't want that. You want the government to be there when you need it. Guess what? If you want to be part of the system, you have to play by ...[text shortened]... it to do, regardless of what others want from the government, makes you seem rather immature.

The wages you make by working were never yours to begin with? Wow!

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It's not a confiscation. It was never yours to begin with. You're espousing a view that can only be held consistently by an anarchist, which you are not. A life without taxation is easily within your grasp, but you don't want that. You want the government to be there when you need it. Guess what? If you want to be part of the system, you have to play by ...[text shortened]... it to do, regardless of what others want from the government, makes you seem rather immature.

The only immature attitude is yours. You are like a liittle child who wishes to continually have others pay for all your wishes/ wants by calling them needs.

The government abuses its power to tax. I would like to have a much smaller government. If I get fewer services I would gladly sacrifice that. I am tired of continually paying for my serves and then also paying for others. No one thanks me, instead I hear that my benefits should be means tested and taken away.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It (my wages) was never yours to begin with.

Is there any limit to what the government can take? If they taxed 100% of my eages would that be ok? If they taxed 100% retroactively would that be ok? If the taxes 300% would that be ok? If they taxed 300% rretroactively would that be ok?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Wow. So because the government is taxing you, you don't have to take responsibility for anything anymore? Man up, sheesh.

Over taxation is the problem here. When the folks working two and three jobs to provide a decent life for their own family and have to pay the way for everyone else, doesn't leave much incentive to get ahead. Has been a problem with socialism everywhere not just here. You are correct in that one should take responsibility of their own life anyway, no one said otherwise. Need to stop taking out loans and saving more and staying within ones means.

Originally posted by Eladar
The wages you make by working were never yours to begin with? Wow!

The net wage is. The gross wage isn't. This is hardly controversial. If it was yours, you could claim it back. You can't, because it's not.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The net wage is. The gross wage isn't. This is hardly controversial. If it was yours, you could claim it back. You can't, because it's not.

That's circular logic, KN. That the government's laws don't allow you to claim back your money doesn't mean it was never yours nor that they were justified in taking it in the first place.

I have no problem with taxation. It's a necessary evil. But when you get taxed, it is your money they're taxing.

Originally posted by sh76
That's circular logic, KN. That the government's laws don't allow you to claim back your money doesn't mean it was never yours nor that they were justified in taking it in the first place.

I have no problem with taxation. It's a necessary evil. But when you get taxed, it is your money they're taxing.

Possession is a legal issue. Since taxation is not illegal, the money wasn't yours to begin with (or alternatively, the dispossession is legal - either way it's a semantic issue). Whether it's justified or not is a separate issue.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Possession is a legal issue. Since taxation is not illegal, the money wasn't yours to begin with (or alternatively, the dispossession is legal - either way it's a semantic issue). Whether it's justified or not is a separate issue.

Taxation is one issue and over taxation is legal extortion. If they take my money and give it to a corporation to move its plant to a foreign country it is larceny. Same thing if they are giving my money to failed banks and they use it for their own bonuses. You just need to clear your head of all that chit inside that makes you incapable of common sense.