Baseball v guns

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i would also add that there are rules and regulations to that car designers have to adhere to regarding safety. most cars are stuffed with technology that tries to save human lives..............where as gun designers are trying to do the opposite.

i covered it.


what you are saying however is not relevant. i mentioned safety regulations to enable the object (car) to perform its function (driving) safely.

you can still apply safety regulations to the gun, to ensure you, the owner are safe while killing others. a gun's purpose is after all, to kill people.


just making sure that when you are thinking safety regulations for guns, you are not thinking to make it less lethal to the target.

Originally posted by normbenign
Cops don't have the authority to revoke licenses.

All of the rules on driving are usually applied to gun owners, in fact usually more strictly.

"Cops don't have the authority to revoke licenses. "
it is a technicality and you know it. if they find you drunk or driving 150km/h they keep your license. who cares who actually does the revoking.


"All of the rules on driving are usually applied to gun owners, in fact usually more strictly."
like what? do you have to get trained to own and use a gun?
a brief google search found this how to about georgia: http://www.wikihow.com/Get-a-Gun-License-in-Georgia
nowhere does it say you have to prove you know how to gun. you just have to ask nicely for a gun.

how many of your states require gun safety classes? how many require you to ace them, to prove you actually paid attention? in what circumstances can your gun be taken away from you?

if you are drunk and driving, you go to jail, even if you do not hit anyone or anything. how many examples can you think of of people going to jail for firing their weapons while drunk? in fact, being drunk seems to be a requirement for rednecks going hunting.

so no, the rules on driving are not all applied to gun owners.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Try harder.

he isn't the one required to dig and find deeper meaning. you proposed the topic, you explain yourself.

already i have seen people discussing baseball, others guns. nobody makes any connection between them

Originally posted by normbenign
Not true. The 1911 .45 ACP pistol has numerous safety features to prevent accidental discharges. One is the grip safety, which allows the gun to be fired only if a human hand is gripping it properly. It will not fire if a round isn't chambered, and the positive safety locks the slide in place even if the hammer is cocked on a loaded chamber (known as c ...[text shortened]... one). That is a pistol designed 100 years ago.

You really ought to read any firearms manual.

is it federally enforced?

what you are saying is a good feature, something we would all need. but can gun manufacturers make a gun without that feature? if they can, then we do not regulate guns like we regulate cars.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i would also add that there are rules and regulations to that car designers have to adhere to regarding safety. most cars are stuffed with technology that tries to save human lives..............where as gun designers are trying to do the opposite.

all that is true but lets say you wanted to bump someone off I would prefer a gun rather than denting my precious car...just saying.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"Cops don't have the authority to revoke licenses. "
it is a technicality and you know it. if they find you drunk or driving 150km/h they keep your license. who cares who actually does the revoking.


"All of the rules on driving are usually applied to gun owners, in fact usually more strictly."
like what? do you have to get trained to own and use a g ...[text shortened]... t for rednecks going hunting.

so no, the rules on driving are not all applied to gun owners.

You don't need a license to buy a car, but you need one to drive it in public. Likewise, you can buy a gun, but to carry it in public, you must pass required training and get a license to carry.

Being drunk while carrying, or even going into an establishment which serves drinks can result in the license being revoked.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
is it federally enforced?

what you are saying is a good feature, something we would all need. but can gun manufacturers make a gun without that feature? if they can, then we do not regulate guns like we regulate cars.

Each gun has its own safety features which manufacturers advertise and feature in their manuals.

We might well be further ahead in car safety if we left design to the manufacturers instead of government bureaucrats and legislators. They designed airbags that killed people.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
i covered it.


what you are saying however is not relevant. i mentioned safety regulations to enable the object (car) to perform its function (driving) safely.

you can still apply safety regulations to the gun, to ensure you, the owner are safe while killing others. a gun's purpose is after all, to kill people.


just making sure that when you ...[text shortened]... thinking safety regulations for guns, you are not thinking to make it less lethal to the target.

"a gun's purpose is after all, to kill people."

Wrong! In many cases presenting a gun prevents further escalation of violence. That's what happens most of the time when a cop displays his weapon and shouts, "On the ground dirt bag".

Besides that people use guns recreationally, poking holes in paper targets, or putting meat on their table. Safety rules ought not make guns or gun owners less functional. For example, bean bag guns, rubber bullets, or tazers aren't appropriate as defensive weapons.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Try harder.

I've been hit by a thrown baseball (in the head) stealing second base. Professional baseball players routinely get hit by pitches, and one pitcher years ago was struck in the face with a batted ball.

The difference is that people playing baseball know the risks and take them because they are rather remote, and they enjoy playing the game. On the other hand nobody volunteers to be shot, or threatened by criminals using guns.

There is no comparison between the two possible happenings. People may wear helmets to play baseball, and many people wear body armour if their job carries risk of bullet wounds, for example police, security guards, delivery men, and couriers.

Originally posted by normbenign
Each gun has its own safety features which manufacturers advertise and feature in their manuals.

We might well be further ahead in car safety if we left design to the manufacturers instead of government bureaucrats and legislators. They designed airbags that killed people.

support your claims with facts. i am not going to google the proofs for you

Originally posted by normbenign
You don't need a license to buy a car, but you need one to drive it in public. Likewise, you can buy a gun, but to carry it in public, you must pass required training and get a license to carry.

Being drunk while carrying, or even going into an establishment which serves drinks can result in the license being revoked.

"Likewise, you can buy a gun, but to carry it in public, you must pass required training and get a license to carry"
has no relevance to the discussion. i don't care about car or gun collectors.


"Being drunk while carrying, or even going into an establishment which serves drinks can result in the license being revoked."

support your claims with facts. i am not going to google the proofs for you

Originally posted by normbenign
"a gun's purpose is after all, to kill people."

Wrong! In many cases presenting a gun prevents further escalation of violence. That's what happens most of the time when a cop displays his weapon and shouts, "On the ground dirt bag".

Besides that people use guns recreationally, poking holes in paper targets, or putting meat on their table. Safety r ...[text shortened]... For example, bean bag guns, rubber bullets, or tazers aren't appropriate as defensive weapons.

a gun's purpose is to kill people. because of that, some may get scared and comply without a shot being fired.


with your reasoning, a car's purpose is to occupy space. to get you laid. to consume gas. to cause traffic jams. to allow nascar to exist.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
support your claims with facts. i am not going to google the proofs for you

It is not my job to cure your ignorance. You can go to any gun manufacturer's website, say Smith and Wesson, and look up their on line manuals, usually PDF documents.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"Likewise, you can buy a gun, but to carry it in public, you must pass required training and get a license to carry"
has no relevance to the discussion. i don't care about car or gun collectors.


"Being drunk while carrying, or even going into an establishment which serves drinks can result in the license being revoked."

support your claims with facts. i am not going to google the proofs for you

Again State requirements for both purchasing or carrying guns are public information, and the only reason for ignorance is preference.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
a gun's purpose is to kill people. because of that, some may get scared and comply without a shot being fired.


with your reasoning, a car's purpose is to occupy space. to get you laid. to consume gas. to cause traffic jams. to allow nascar to exist.

LOL. You really don't understand what purpose means, do you? Reminds me of Steve Martin in "The Jerk" learning about his "special purpose".