04 Dec 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebotyour point is? one can find equal testimony that Eurofighters have outmanoeuvred the Raptor, indeed, your adherence to wikipedia as a panacea for all, is truly remarkable. So seeing that you like it so much, read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22#Service_history
During Exercise Northern Edge in Alaska in June 2006, 12 F-22s of the 94th FS downed 108 adversaries with no losses in simulated combat exercises.[20] In two weeks of exercises, the Raptor-led Blue Force amassed 241 kills against two losses in air-to-air combat, and neither Blue Force loss was an F-22.
f engagement allowed for four to five Red Force regenerations of losses but none to Blue Force.
In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter."
The Typhoon's combat performance, compared to the new F-22 Raptor and the upcoming F-35 Lightning II[117] fighters and the French Dassault Rafale, has been the subject of much discussion. In March 2005, Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, talked to Air Force Print News about these two aircraft. He said,
The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula One car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance.
wikipedia,
as i stated, stealth is one thing, air to air combat quite another.
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieGeneral Jumper is of the opinion that the F-22 manuevers as well as anything in the air.
In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter."
as i stated, stealth is one thing, air to air combat quite another.
http://www.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?storyID=123010102
All the hoopla over the eurofighter's capabililities is great.
Now strap bombs and missiles all over it's wings for combat missions and see how it compares to an armed Raptor.
Why is this so hard for people to get? The euro and Mig-35 DO NOT fly as fast and manuever as well when carrying weapons....the Raptor does.
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by Sam The ShamNo mention of the the most important variable, you have Stevie wonder flying your F-22 and i'll have Steven Seagal in my Sukhoi SU-37 Terminator, game over pal!
General Jumper is of the opinion that the F-22 manuevers as well as anything in the air.
http://www.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?storyID=123010102
All the hoopla over the eurofighter's capabililities is great.
Now strap bombs and missiles all over it's wings for combat missions and see how it compares to an armed Raptor.
Why is this so hard f ...[text shortened]... o and Mig-35 DO NOT fly as fast and manuever as well when carrying weapons....the Raptor does.
05 Dec 10
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Originally posted by Sam The Shamwhat??? are you going to fly away faster with a Eurofighter or a MIG on your tail? 😛 Heulp Heulp, the hooded claw! says Penelope Pitsop.
General Jumper is of the opinion that the F-22 manuevers as well as anything in the air.
http://www.af.mil/news/story_print.asp?storyID=123010102
All the hoopla over the eurofighter's capabililities is great.
Now strap bombs and missiles all over it's wings for combat missions and see how it compares to an armed Raptor.
Why is this so hard f ...[text shortened]... o and Mig-35 DO NOT fly as fast and manuever as well when carrying weapons....the Raptor does.
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie, the Typhoon's weapons will not attack the Raptor, and the Raptor kills with AMRAAMs...medium-long range missiles. Maneuverability is irrelevant.
your point is? one can find equal testimony that Eurofighters have outmanoeuvred the Raptor, indeed, your adherence to wikipedia as a panacea for all, is truly remarkable. So seeing that you like it so much, read this,
In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the ...[text shortened]... rmance.
wikipedia,
as i stated, stealth is one thing, air to air combat quite another.
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by utherpendragonThat wasn't even the best fighter of WWI. It was removed from most frontline service because of concerns over structural failures. The Fokker D7 was clearly superior to the Dr.1, and probably the best fighter of the war.
Fokker Dr. 1, built 1917,
powered by Thulin-built Le Rhone 9J 9-cylinder air-cooled rotary 110 HP engine,
weighed 1,289 lbs., max. speed of 103 MPH, max. ceiling of 19,685 feet,
2 synchronized Spandau machine guns
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieGen. Jumper is your advocate?
your point is? one can find equal testimony that Eurofighters have outmanoeuvred the Raptor, indeed, your adherence to wikipedia as a panacea for all, is truly remarkable. So seeing that you like it so much, read this,
In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the ...[text shortened]... rmance.
wikipedia,
as i stated, stealth is one thing, air to air combat quite another.
apparently he was 60 years old when he said that.
what kind of paces do you think he ran them through?
05 Dec 10
EuroFighter.com, the official home of the Typhoon:
http://www.eurofighter.com/capabilities.html
“What people don't realise about Typhoon is how good it is at high altitude. Between 40,000 and 55,000 feet, nothing can touch it except an F-22 - that's what makes it so strong in air defence”.
Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, Chief of Air Staff, Royal Air Force, 12 February 2009 at Aero India, Bangalore
05 Dec 10
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThe phantom always looked the goods for me. Its one of the most aggressively styled fighters that still looks current. For something that's been around since 1958, that's no small feat.
LOL yeah that was the big boy of it's time, my favorite all time is the McDonald-Douglas F-4 Phantom, used for almost 40 years and still a great all around fighter-bomber when it was finally retired in the early 90's.
10 Jan 11
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThe early pictures looked like photoshop - but the later pictures look more genuine. Since there are so many and so consistent no, it seems less likely it's a photoshop. Doesn't say much about its capabilities though...
The Joy of Photoshop.
With anti-ship ballistic missiles, new carrier, new fifth generation fighter -- seems like china is pretty serious about taking its place on the world stage. Or in the very least putting some floating muscle around Taiwan.